From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OP2ZD-0002fG-Va for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57098E0AC3; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1DAE0A72 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179011222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.11.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA651B411C for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C19661B.7010402@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:02:35 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <20100616074319.5263d7b5@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20100616213156.15b93914@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <20100616213156.15b93914@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: cbd98f4c-0eaf-4518-88fe-0982fd59fdf5 X-Archives-Hash: 55b29514eec777fed06753ce826832bd Jeroen, On 06/16/10 21:31, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > 1) that there are probably some good examples of the bad tone that sping > referred to, perhaps in the devrel/userrel domain and therefore not > initially public, and that unless those projects fail (to uphold the > CoC), we should probably not be talking about it on a public mailing > list. from demanding a friendly tone on other mailing lists myself and the private "thank you, I was afraid this was accepted around here" replies after I prefer to keep tone discussions in the open as far as possible. Our user base wouldn't know we care about tone if we discussed it in private. On the conflict resolution I would go as far as stating that DevRel currently fails at that. I'll start a new thread on that. > 2) that "tone" is unavoidably a subjective matter, which is precisely > the reason that some in our community choose consciously to be concise, > informative and dispassionate, while you might infer that this results > in curt, graceless and unaffectionate communication, or "bad tone" in > short. I agree that's though to do well. Best, Sebastian