From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OP2XU-0002Nb-6K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:01:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE48EE0A10; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D032E09EB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179011222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.11.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E06D1B40F3; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C196595.20600@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:00:21 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org CC: Developer Relations Subject: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9dabd6db-cbf3-4b14-ada5-fbe24125c60f X-Archives-Hash: ca24ccb2615dccc82b83bc68ff8fd76e Hello! yngwin's devaway message still reads "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. I believe I had enough insight to be able to say. I would like to propose these fundamental changes to DevRel: 1) Make the list of subscribers to the devrel alias public Idea: If you share private information you have a right to know with whom you share. 2) Clearly split DevRel into groups for recruiting and conflict resolution with distinct aliases. 3) Let Gentoo developers vote on who's in the conflict resolution team just like we do with the council. 4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues with devrel are taken to). Idea: From insight on cases of DevRel versus members of RevRel I can tell this dossn't work well. I suppose that Council against Council-DevRel doesn't work better. Problem: Both betelgeuse and jmbsvicetto are DevRel members nominated for the upcoming council election. As I am also nominated proposing such rule could be understood aiming at decreasing their chances on the council and increasing mine as a result. However, as I propose to start over with a developer voted conflict resolution team this is not the case. The only implication is that if they make it to the council they cannot be elected for the conflict resolution team. DevRel is one of the most important things in Gentoo - we dependend on that working well. If you care about this please make yourself heard. Thanks, Sebastian