From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-41295-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1OP1BB-0003R9-58 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:33:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 778DCE0AB0; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3EEE0A9F for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179011222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.11.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B961B404D for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C195135.1050702@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:33:25 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo References: <1276717242.2326.0@NeddySeagoon> In-Reply-To: <1276717242.2326.0@NeddySeagoon> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: a38f4e39-0d6e-462a-9876-283d61daf7fb X-Archives-Hash: d5985da7d5be9f2bb086d97cb15ebd41 Roy, On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote: > As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse=20 > and to the point, completely lacking in tone. interesting. Looking at the sentence "When did you point this out to devrel?" I would like to say that while it's not impolite per se it's implicitly saying "You _have to_ point this out to dev rel" in my ears. A more or less word-by-word translation to German ("Wann hast du das gegen=C3=BCber DevRel angesprochen?") would make perfect sense and carry the same problem so I assume it's not an English language thing. In contrast aski= ng "Have you pointed this out to DevRel? What was their reaction?" does not seem to have this mis-hearing problem, at least not to me. I remember a guy of the German Unix User Group (GUUG) saying something li= ke "Communication is always oriented at the receiver". Applying that to tone and avoiding mis-interpretation the sender has the power (and arguably the responsiblity) to sounds as friendly as needed to be sure it will not be understood as unfriendly. In a way there's always a way to be friendlier - _without_ faking anything. Some of you may know ArneBab's signature saying: "Being unpolitical means being political without realizing it." Maybe not applying tone means applying tone without realizing, too. Best, Sebastian