From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OP0tH-0007vt-62 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:15:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84C1BE097B; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92027E097D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179011222.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.11.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F59F1B40B9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C194CC4.3050000@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:14:28 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100419 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <20100616074319.5263d7b5@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <20100616074319.5263d7b5@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 93ff09a5-d775-41fa-a6ba-495912b13a4c X-Archives-Hash: da806a266681ec4b7f1bd94ee73fe029 On 06/16/10 07:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > That's a conclusion first, then a premise? "Tone is not a strength of Gentoo" is my own obserservation. Please be more verbose - I fail to understand the core of your question. >> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be >> a friendly community? Has it always been that way? > > What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who, where, > when, what channel, thread? I have oberved this in #gentoo, in the forums and basically every thread releated to Python 3 - that topic seams to be a heat bomb. Are links to concrete threads really necessary? I'm afraid we'll be arguing about that very case and justifications for this and that sentence then. My concern are all threads together. >> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel >> is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? > > When did you point this out to devrel? I have previously contacted DevRel with concerns about their inactivity even with cases happening. I have not asked for specific actions on the mailing list, though. I agree with antarus that it shouldn't be the job of just DevRel to demand friendly tone on communication mediums but the job of everyone involved. > Being probably guilty of all of the above, I'd say it would help if the > Gentoo users would file GOOD bug reports, As I understand you say that bad bug reports make it hard for you to stay friendly. Correct? Any ideas what we could do on our end to improve the situation? Best, Sebastian