From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OOveh-0001t8-0o for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:39:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85DDAE0BC0; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12291E0BB9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.109] (fi122.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [80.53.34.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CBD1B400F for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4C18FE36.7040700@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:39:18 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?IlBhd2XFgiBIYWpkYW4sIEpyLiI=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2002406C83D391F06000D2FE" X-Archives-Salt: 257a6a62-b71a-4c6b-83d8-4edae103a3a3 X-Archives-Hash: ba3c88d8576aa8cf8632142896576a3f This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2002406C83D391F06000D2FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the > atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. This is really sad. And the kind of people who value that often make good developers if they also have good technical skills. > I have searched a few places for rules on tone, I believe one can't solve this problem by using rules. > - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel > is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? I think the initiative is on the offended person's side. If a developer is being aggressive and needlessly argumentative towards other people, that's clearly a misconduct. Similarly for aggressive users. > Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to > understand and complement each other? That might be a part of it. > What can we do to make Gentoo a friendlier community? We need leadership. I remember very well when the leader of one of the Gentoo projects I participate in reminded me to always say "thanks" to people who are helping us on Bugzilla. A small thing, but wasn't he right= ? I believe it's the project leaders and the Council who ultimately set the tone. Pawe=C5=82 --------------enig2002406C83D391F06000D2FE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkwY/jsACgkQuUQtlDBCeQJIIgCgiDc6WRyxoMUl+/B3kbIEiSUg 4joAn3Me3kgx49esH4VA0c03Q/lMU5N+ =/z62 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2002406C83D391F06000D2FE--