From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OGzsy-0000IU-5B for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:33:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31E5FE094B; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7ECE07F1 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (pool-96-245-231-248.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [96.245.231.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F74F1B4025 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 19:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BFC261A.2060204@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:33:46 -0400 From: Richard Freeman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100421 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large... References: <201005180802.09430.mail@akhuettel.de> <201005251424.05620.vapier@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201005251424.05620.vapier@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: bbfb845b-530d-4572-933e-5775d2078a20 X-Archives-Hash: 86d2949dbe080a88486f5b490aff0af7 On 05/25/2010 02:24 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 18 May 2010 02:02:01 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> could you please help the poor bug wranglers a bit?! The queue has reached >> 170 unassigned bugs... > > people dont seem to realize that bug-wranglers isnt just for re-assigning to > the proper maintainer. they are supposed to be doing basic triage, user > feedback, as well as cleaning up the bug. i shouldnt be seeing bugs assigned > to maintainers that have "${PN}-1.ebuild" as their subject, nor bugs that lack > basic things like `emerge --info` or build logs. As long as the status quo works I don't think we need to change it. However if we are running into issues with keeping up it might make sense to just have wranglers do assignments to maintainers and let the maintainers deal with the rest. The reason is that the maintainer might be able to spot dups much more readily, or spot obvious solutions to bugs, where a wrangler might be hunting around. By all means wranglers should do what they can when they can, but keep in mind that if you yell at a wrangler any time they "do it wrong" a natural response of devs will be to not bother with bug wrangling or just looking for their own bugs in the list. I'm not necessarily proposing any changes here, but in general we need to be careful about barriers to entry in projects that are undermanned. Rich