From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O12fz-0006Qj-AE for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:18:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80FB9E07CB; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08026E0774 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (bl9-33-36.dsl.telepac.pt [85.242.33.36]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2391C1B40A5 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BC22062.2010007@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:17:54 +0000 From: "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100411 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy regarding the inactive members References: <201004111616.41414.hwoarang@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201004111616.41414.hwoarang@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5736d109-9b83-4293-b869-33f68cb1a036 X-Archives-Hash: 279893a218e2a765a49e1bccfa68433a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-2010 13:16, Markos Chandras wrote: > Hello folks, > > Looking through the Council project page, the policy regarding the inactive > council members doesn't look optimal to me As others have already explained, this is from GLEP39 and it has an historic background. The council after some discussion wasn't able to agree they could change it and as I've said before, I'm one of those that believes this cannot be changed by the council or by a simple "proposal" from any dev. Any change to this policy in my opinion requires a global vote by the dev community. > The role of the council is the following one: > > "The elected Gentoo Council decides on global issues and policies that affect > multiple projects in Gentoo" > > I am not sure that everybody is aware of the councils' role. The only council > members who look active to me are Petteri and Denis. We miss 5 more people but > I am pretty sure they will be present to the next meeting hence they will be > considered as "active members". This is why the current policy looks wrong to > me. What you and others don't seem aware is that not everyone agrees with this interpretation or with your view about what the council is or should be. > I feel sorry to admit that the current council failed to become a good leader > for Gentoo and his inactivity demotivates both users and developers[1][2] [ > etc etc ] I disagree with you, but more importantly I disagree with the way you're bringing this up. Yes, you can disagree with the current council and you may not feel represented by it. Furthermore, you're free to express your divergent opinion. But if you want to "replace" the council. you'll have to wait for the next election where you'll have to convince developers to vote in a different way and if you feel so strongly about the council work you may even want to stand for the election. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLwiBiAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEP25QP/0LiEyQ6AgJ+FVMSyajKsOxs Fz1Gd2AgU6IGspNLcuoBvVaItE0Eu883r3Lp8bqmVoYI4U5zdEH+5+2L1alSCjXa RHpgVakmEdgR+ViR/nN1fIv1vG+8TV2lFmaQiJHwatx9qT1MbKAr5ABAWryXK1mT w5eW33spopUzEbBJzLgzeHy1wKuSwyXyvaA+mIuBWiwY5kulibBd/wY02FUnkA77 kaKBx7aUYeVplpzUWBFesRFNEJ3lQwAZtWua6dxF/YuK952CfNHh32D2YxP7kq8n uq2/vOhRlQGYfn8+25ARaXhOHhE12MVt1oZAHjp5qnlVBaSlXztufVCOFMAaSjFR aLLdelLk+1jch09QBu3i2Ws3m5yh7MadnNLM0atP+Y+PGdT9VK64TQxOckFH0njE reKSGdewOYDQH5ALS//XViBzpRL4qCWm0FRQN/K6iyZ6f4z4cWZeQhFxsdbLYU9I Uc93ozsGsLD41mj/c0mggdm0y1HxDVQbLojd5umDH0UMV5e4kSXJ1TJMwe4FPVsd bxo7piu7tTd7/pJmoCgd6fDI7w4Ys4MLxmbtdFce8Rql9A9pF8Ir9PozvVAVrWJS 8PuXxFcqSX3l0edOtCYDOALrZ8diskw6ruX3eLL6puNyL7bnDjOTwuT8xIjWcDE4 P9mMOKgsQgUATuyLVANY =45cX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----