From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O0mwo-0006Cj-A0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:30:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35636E08C8; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E1FE06F4 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (pool-96-245-231-248.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [96.245.231.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B351B4100 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BC1344A.6040102@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:30:34 -0400 From: Richard Freeman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100306 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead? References: <4BC082EC.4050109@gentoo.org> <4BC0E610.5020005@gentoo.org> <4BC0EC65.3010206@gentoo.org> <4BC0F11C.3040507@gentoo.org> <4BC0F75C.9030702@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 247b50cf-4a16-448c-9536-13e9df917288 X-Archives-Hash: eb1b660b2cd1ffa45a0ee7e2f60ba110 On 04/10/2010 07:44 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 11 April 2010 00:54, Denis Dupeyron wrote: >> I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is >> part of fixing them. > > Except when someone else does it, then calling the problem of lack of > leadership suddenly becomes "immature political ranting". Nice try. > You know, leadership can be as much about NOT replying to an email as replying to one... :) You don't need to be elected to the council to be a leader. I'd say that with very few exceptions those who have been on the council were elected because a majority of devs recognize that they have been leaders. I can certainly say that they have put in a lot more time than most reading this list, and it really isn't anybody's place to lecture them on being leaders as a result. If somebody really thinks they have constructive advice then make it constructive, or at least send it in private to council@g.o. If there is ANYBODY here who actually intends to lift a finger to actually do work to rectify these problems, by all means contact the appropriate project lead or the council or something and ask how to pitch in and help. Based on Patteri's post it sounds like you can feel free to ping him on irc/email if you're looking for something to do. And let's try to remember that we're all in it together - infighting isn't going to inspire more people to join the cause... Rich