Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

["Petteri Räty" <betelgeuse@gentoo.org>]

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On 04/09/2010 05:51 PM, Dror Levin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 21:05, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that
>>> affect all of Gentoo. The issues I brought up are wider than a single
>>> individual project.
>>
>> And almost 100% of the time this needs to run through a GLEP, which is
>> the case here. Then the council will do all the things you've pasted
>> from GLEP 39
> 
> I thought the council was a body that should be capable of action, not
> merely one that gives a stamp of approval for stuff other people do.
> Was I wrong?
> 

It's capable of action if the members want to take it.

> Reading all your manifestos from the elections shows you all had
> things you wanted to do, things you wanted to change (git migration,
> forming a group of experts to discuss technical issues, QA
> propagation, just to name a few). Where did all that go to? If all the
> council is currently able to do is get everybody involved in
> bureaucracy (e.g. writing GLEPs for centralizing documentation instead
> of putting a page full of links) just so it could meet once a month to
> decide on bugzilla resolutions, then something is wrong.
> 

Let's see my manifesto:
- EAPIs: council is not the blocker
- Meetings: there will be a web application most likely in GSoC

> All council members not only volunteered for that position, but also
> had other people voting for them. Didn't you do that so you could have
> a larger influence? So you could make Gentoo better? How do you plan
> to achieve that if you just wait for other people to do it? I don't
> see why there is such strong opposition by your side to actually do
> something, after all, that's what you're there for.
> 

I said in my manifesto that Gentoo is not my first priority so you get
what you vote for :)

> 
> Ben raised some very painful issues which hurt Gentoo daily but are
> not being addressed for a long time. The way I see it, the council's
> job is to lead Gentoo, and that includes things that individual
> members may not find interesting. These are global issues which are
> under the council's responsibility. Gentoo's best interest should be
> in mind, not personal interests, and so the council should strive to
> achieve all those things so that Gentoo may benefit from it. That's
> what leadership is, and that's what your job is.
>

Many of the points Ben raised are doable by any single developer who
wants to do the work. Just show up with the code/patches.

> 
> Let's take redesigning the homepage as an example. Our website has the
> same design since at least 2002, and to users it looks dead. This is
> seriously hurting Gentoo, and its inability to fix the situation has
> become a laughing stock. Clearly, Gentoo as a whole suffers and it's
> the council's responsibility to address this issue. Now, I'm not
> saying that council members should sit around all day playing with
> CSS, but this issue should be one of their top priorities. Maybe ask
> for users to help, reward a volunteer to do it with funds from the
> foundation, heck maybe even pay some company to do it, but just do
> something, even though you may not think dealing with this is
> interesting, but a response like "if you want it then work on it and
> make it happen" is unacceptable.
> 

Just petition the trustees to spend money on it. I guess Debian is dying
too then:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020124014701/http://www.debian.org/

Regards,
Petteri


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