From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyyLn-0006Aj-Fq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:17:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC9FCE09E8; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03198E09DF for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (bl9-47-48.dsl.telepac.pt [85.242.47.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87FA1B4024 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BBA9994.1020301@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:16:52 +0000 From: "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100327 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process References: <4BB93E00.3070301@gentoo.org> <4BB97A39.20500@caf.com.tr> <20100405160701.GA15345@eris.oppresses.us> <20100405182552.GE2156@Caemlyn.Fullrate> In-Reply-To: <20100405182552.GE2156@Caemlyn.Fullrate> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ebc20929-df2f-4c78-8cf1-093459169024 X-Archives-Hash: 5b6edaa3f0cd832dae3da784d8a5f386 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05-04-2010 18:26, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +0000, Jon Portnoy wrote: > There should be a process of weeding out developers that bitch and/or whine, but if most of the teams are understaffed then there has to be done something about it. > The way I see it there are two options: > a) Scale down the size of the operation, reduce packages offered, and if there are more packages wanted, let the users maintain them. > b) Look at an effective way of making the process of become a developer (and being a developer for that matter) more attractive. > > The first option could be somewhat simple, we already have overlays so those could simply be used. The second option (which would be the best IMO) is a fair bit harder. The first thing that needs to be done is find out why people don't want to become developers. I've heard a few users mention the quiz, but it seems that the thing keeping most people away from becoming developers are all the flame wars that have occured, and the fact that it (to us users) seems like the council isn't doing much of anything about it. > So while I believe that improving (and/or updating) the recruitment process is important, I think there would be more success if it seemed like a nice place to be a part of, and that bad behaviour is dealt with. The Council has a very important role in Gentoo, but if everyone keeps turning to them to do everything, nothing will get done and they'll get swamped trying to do anything. Bad behaviour in the mailing lists is something that all of us have an obligation to prevent and help fix - including every developer and all interested community members. If and when someone violates Gentoo's Code of Conduct[1] and or exhibits a repetitive abrasive behaviour, please contact either the User Relations[2] or the Developer Relations[3] teams in case of an user or a developer. As Petteri already replied, developers who chose to focus in their "corner" are free to ignore most of the mailing lists and have no requirement to participate or even read the flames. In other words, if you'd like to become a developer but have kept away because of the flames, don't worry as you don't have to get involved on them. However and despite all the recent complaints about flames in the mailing lists, as someone that has been following the mailing lists for a while, the amount and level of flames has been substantially reduced in the last 2 years or so. We still have flames, but nothing like we used to have before. Also noteworthy, the number of people involved in the flames is very small and the majority is well known. [1] - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml [2] - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/ [3] - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/ - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJLupmUAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEPXzgQAISLb1K8s4Fa2ORYK4+Lef/Y YeAYiM5xzNPl6kTi6rJF1IoQwDuaS0G/YfRRtzDYeibcYBE0GLVQL0cAyQDTF371 EvgQblvMpTpay8hiNmtdNAb0X6Bm5WUhZoTeY+ayrh6Yih+cniGP5K+zP70550vQ vvI0y9AdebwZzWrjedeEkUutaxNoBrED7IOfdixDpgD2110NuRcBHpdiBqen0exr Q2iBdG2ynfdEzYyYAgGHvHcjibtlboLe9DWkQ/APW5uOJHCt0M5QW8HtF7eaPvNf DS27KNwzoV1VLKxSD5I6cLFz5+NTikI7htZrxqvqjJx0zdk3X+whDOZBXT+7Amv3 2Jaiym4VCsmVXu2hWtZTlbhh0hp07ybx3NmLqNiRkNXX2636A5dCg6fwAUy/CC/g bmCIMtkTe7oXj+m23AVB1tU5zQuaBMhuV6BucRl3on2bAkSr53Hg0dFbGwwCdiMc FDULTNrXI1c1P5AKrqFWY6wHj6HW+m6rOVPowXHkuMEmde+T152jci0XYVOCj4v4 YjwKvDyQphk2rzb4S7hLTHpiMIzmM3cbt2/u0zfeviRkMueeT+zfIl8PMi3IN+5W fvwbTPEq3Eh1JfEaTDDhcYXeIZjrLFx1Es2MYgBKOVzRXCZm9z1Lm15A0LgjpP9O e09KPDVHG33o/pVc/pqA =AdOw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----