From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NypVw-0006oj-H8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:51:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3C22E0898; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B19CE081F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so1111410bwz.26 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/zsfidGqxNTby6iPjIae/E8pOy8GM/Fh4XXo++LpIYM=; b=hRlTnQp9XsCwAfDuOrn9Qg88PEhjuRs0OkCR5VrPTjbQDGKO7ZIQ+DATfLcQr8HbRI RPlpsjn9hS5nJUdQYoSwEzYpNcqN8LAzYJPzkZgfYTCr4jr589+kJY0aoljwrWnNTTMJ ziRhVBQLOQmlaOSf7ijTCtzadqpBmZiN3eTsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xNvHC4SwdWc4ldYUKKLRxwzI+hJy2FmEwDMDmR7H5T+6Ncmef51hl7R/q5pEghB3xr YKA0FKb1QyrUGv9y4rf1spO5l4kJSm47YsUa5rmXSNux92PP9BQN+iH3RGkmxF7BRene nOaKsBxPP1adZSzkup6a635kNL2Uqzi+1n/Qw= Received: by 10.204.132.131 with SMTP id b3mr6775829bkt.179.1270486247910; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([95.147.53.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s17sm107154891bkd.16.2010.04.05.09.50.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBA14E9.20204@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:50:49 +0100 From: George Prowse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process References: <4BB93E00.3070301@gentoo.org> <4BB97A39.20500@caf.com.tr> <20100405160701.GA15345@eris.oppresses.us> In-Reply-To: <20100405160701.GA15345@eris.oppresses.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: da78646c-a74a-4e2a-8e62-456780b56402 X-Archives-Hash: 0b2dc2d90e81e7e52c16e760412a8a31 On 05/04/2010 17:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: >> Just replying randomly. >> >> On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: >>> I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the "some important >>> questions are too hard to answer" dilemma that can be implemented >>> relatively fast. On top of that I like Sebastian's idea to order the >>> quizzes by difficulty -- this means just ordering by the categories I >>> just mentioned would be sufficient: 1 first, then 2, then 3. >> >> I am not against this idea but frankly, I do not understand what is so >> demotivating about the ebuild quiz. If you get demotivated because of a >> single exam, perhaps the problem is with the motivation and not with the >> exam itself. I took the published quiz just for the fun of it and to >> see where I missed. It is not that long. >> > > Agreed... > > I've been following this discussion with mixed feelings. When we > originally began using the quiz system the idea was simply to try > to force new developers to RTFM -- and I was not such a fan of the > entire concept (as I recall, the quizzes were a "suggestion" from Daniel). > > As it turns out, the quiz system has repeatedly proven itself useful > in another way: developers who whine/bitch/moan and are hesitant to > even attempt to complete the quizzes often turn out to be bitchy, > unmotivated, or unpleasant developers. I don't want to name any names, > but I've seen this often. > > IMO, those "boring" "too much like high school" quizzes serve one > extremely valuable function: finding out up front who's a team player > (or at least willing to do something mildly unpleasant for the > Greater Good) > > If that's causing potential devs to drop out... perhaps the system is > working as it should? :) > That assumes the system is working perfectly and the whole fact that we are having this discussion would go against that. From what i've read in the community, lots of people would have no problems helping out maintaining packages, they just don't want the baggage that comes with it. You could say they're lazy or they're not the "type of developers you want" but at the end of the day they're just different developers, most of whom probably just want to make sure the packages they like are in the tree and updated.