From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyaJp-0004JY-Tu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 00:37:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF805E09CF; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 00:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from earth.farbfinsternis.net (earth.farbfinsternis.net [87.118.98.117]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEBFE096D for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 00:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p4FD51DB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.213.29.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by earth.farbfinsternis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 248AF7C003C for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 02:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4BB930BD.5090502@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:37:17 +0200 From: Matti Bickel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki References: <201004051202.13729.ali_bush@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201004051202.13729.ali_bush@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB533C01377969A2E9DE03FF8" X-Archives-Salt: 5f927424-5daf-411e-9930-be1b7e85b6a6 X-Archives-Hash: 7cf92bebe85c8db024a32658b5a8119c This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB533C01377969A2E9DE03FF8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alistair Bush wrote: > I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use. But may I suggest w= e > approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved. +1, especially the "overly concerned" part. Seriously folks. Just start it. Take whatever you as a person feel comfortable with. Talk to infra, if there are concerns about security. Then get moving. Maybe even set up multiple implementations and start evaluating, if you can trick infra into doing the setup. If not, you'd have to live with what they give you.= You can theorize all you want about the best possible solution. That will just clog up the pipes and piss users off no end. It certainly did so for me. I'm now at the point where i'm willing to bet money on the wiki request never actually reaching infra. Can we please go back to happy days where guys and gals worked on an implementation FIRST, posted to lists SECOND and ironed out errors via peer review THIRD? It'll make us all more productive. > What project should we create this under. Please don't make it another project. This will just create a new territory and spread resources even thinner. Take one of the "user-facing" projects like forums or userrel. But don't let this be a blocker to get things done. You can always change ownership of the stuff once you actually get some property to talk about. An important lesson i've learned during the last days as i've taken up php stuff: people, users and devs alike, will step up to help you, do things for you, work with you and be generally amazing if you (1) ask specific, detailed questions and (2) provide some of the work yourself. Usually you have to do (2) before you can do (1). Applying this the wiki debate, you (1) ask specific, *technical* questions, you ideally answer with yes/no (1.1) Do we have an ebuild for it? If no, can i maintain one? (1.2) Will infra emerge the ebuild for me? If not, why not? (1.3) Who do i pester about my administrator access data? (1.4) Who can i use as lab-monk^W^W^Wa test group? How to reach them? (2) set up some fscking wiki and let people play with it. (3) profit ;) --------------enigB533C01377969A2E9DE03FF8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAku5ML0ACgkQfNMcoUhJ7GyoxwCeO157MsJZN0e6A2Lj7/paLPqi JNAAn0g5M6wnFTfpMDXUbtFBWeD5i3w6 =pPHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB533C01377969A2E9DE03FF8--