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From: Matti Bickel <mabi@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:37:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BB930BD.5090502@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201004051202.13729.ali_bush@gentoo.org>

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Alistair Bush wrote:
 > I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use.   But may I suggest we
> approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved.

+1, especially the "overly concerned" part. Seriously folks. Just start
it. Take whatever you as a person feel comfortable with. Talk to infra,
if there are concerns about security. Then get moving. Maybe even set up
multiple implementations and start evaluating, if you can trick infra
into doing the setup. If not, you'd have to live with what they give you.

You can theorize all you want about the best possible solution. That
will just clog up the pipes and piss users off no end. It certainly did
so for me. I'm now at the point where i'm willing to bet money on the
wiki request never actually reaching infra.

Can we please go back to happy days where guys and gals worked on an
implementation FIRST, posted to lists SECOND and ironed out errors via
peer review THIRD? It'll make us all more productive.

> What project should we create this under.

Please don't make it another project. This will just create a new
territory and spread resources even thinner. Take one of the
"user-facing" projects like forums or userrel.
But don't let this be a blocker to get things done. You can always
change ownership of the stuff once you actually get some property to
talk about.

An important lesson i've learned during the last days as i've taken up
php stuff: people, users and devs alike, will step up to help you, do
things for you, work with you and be generally amazing if you
(1) ask specific, detailed questions and
(2) provide some of the work yourself.

Usually you have to do (2) before you can do (1). Applying this the wiki
debate, you
(1) ask specific, *technical* questions, you ideally answer with yes/no
  (1.1) Do we have an ebuild for it? If no, can i maintain one?
  (1.2) Will infra emerge the ebuild for me? If not, why not?
  (1.3) Who do i pester about my administrator access data?
  (1.4) Who can i use as lab-monk^W^W^Wa test group? How to reach them?
(2) set up some fscking wiki and let people play with it.
(3) profit ;)


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-05  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-03 13:19 [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 13:40 ` Dror Levin
2010-04-03 14:12   ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03 14:36     ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 23:41       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-03 15:03   ` Nathan Zachary
2010-04-03 17:40   ` AllenJB
2010-04-03 18:56     ` George Prowse
2010-04-03 19:04       ` Alex Legler
2010-04-04 23:19       ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10  4:10         ` William Hubbs
2010-04-10 11:55           ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 12:06           ` Dror Levin
2010-04-10 15:25             ` William Hubbs
2010-04-10 15:40               ` George Prowse
2010-04-10 17:18                 ` William Hubbs
2010-04-10 18:11                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-04-10 18:26                     ` René 'Necoro' Neumann
2010-04-11  9:52                       ` Duncan
2010-04-11  3:05                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Patrick Nagel
2010-04-10 18:04               ` Vincent Launchbury
2010-04-10 19:23                 ` Dale
2010-04-11  4:35                 ` William Hubbs
2010-04-14  2:03                 ` George Prowse
2010-04-10 13:35           ` George Prowse
2010-04-11  1:08             ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-04-03 14:04 ` Guy Fontaine
2010-04-03 14:12   ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 15:25   ` Sylvain Alain
2010-04-03 14:30 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-03 14:46   ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 23:37     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04  1:20       ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04  7:31         ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-04  8:29           ` Arun Raghavan
2010-04-04  8:47             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04 12:26               ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04  8:48           ` Antoni Grzymala
2010-04-04  8:54             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04  9:10             ` Alex Legler
2010-04-04 12:31             ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 16:54               ` Antoni Grzymala
2010-04-04  9:01           ` Alex Legler
2010-04-04 10:35           ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 13:43           ` Sylvain Alain
2010-04-04 14:15           ` Dror Levin
2010-04-04 14:33             ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 14:47               ` Dror Levin
2010-04-04 15:13                 ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 15:36                   ` dev-random
2010-04-04 15:39                     ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 16:08                   ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 22:45                   ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-04-04 22:21                     ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 23:11                       ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05  1:36                       ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-04-04 16:00               ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 15:23           ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 19:33             ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-04 19:46               ` George Prowse
2010-04-05  0:08               ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05  1:13                 ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-05  2:43                   ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05  5:04                     ` Arun Raghavan
2010-04-05  5:05                       ` Arun Raghavan
2010-06-07 12:27                     ` Ed W
2010-06-07 12:19           ` Ed W
2010-04-04  9:30       ` Alex Legler
2010-04-03 19:13 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-03 23:44 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-05  0:02 ` Alistair Bush
2010-04-05  0:25   ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05  4:46     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-04-05  0:37   ` Matti Bickel [this message]
2010-04-05  2:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-04-05  3:02   ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-03 20:44 ` René 'Necoro' Neumann
2010-06-03 22:49   ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-04  3:53     ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-06-04  4:52       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-04  5:51       ` [gentoo-dev] " Torsten Veller
2010-06-04  8:12         ` Markos Chandras
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2010-04-04  0:11 [gentoo-dev] " Sylvain Alain
2010-04-04  0:24 ` Sebastian Pipping

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