From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyRZK-0001fJ-PG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:16:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3540FE09CB; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from virtual.dyc.edu (virtual.dyc.edu [67.222.116.22]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3880E0964 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.3.7] (unknown [192.168.3.7]) by virtual.dyc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5D474C05B for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4BB8AD5A.1000900@opensource.dyc.edu> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 11:16:42 -0400 From: basile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process References: <4BB7B797.5070102@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4BB7B797.5070102@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEDA5E008035B9F89DF1D0658" X-Archives-Salt: ef18a257-29a8-4fe0-bc9a-b1c390aa6d7b X-Archives-Hash: 492721532406736b1b102548d05de814 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEDA5E008035B9F89DF1D0658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: > =20 >> Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in >> quizzes be more "exciting" to new devs, then we could still have a >> strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the >> quizzes. So, what I propose is to transform the "quizzes" part of the >> process into a list of tasks the prospect should complete in order to >> gain the necessary ability to "pass". This ability could be measured >> in points or just by task completed. >> =20 > > Nice idea! > > > =20 I am a dev in training. My mentors are now looking over my end quiz. I am also an IT professor and teach software engineering. The learning process was somewhat lacking in that I found myself often just searching for answers rather than performing some exercise. It would help if we had exercises where the prospective dev is guided through writing some ebuild and then commits it to some "play" overlay.=20 He/she can do this over and over until the ebuild works, and then answers quiz questions. I effectively did this -> I wrote some helloworld-xxx.tgz tarballs with various issues and then wrote ebuilds to build/install the package, committed them to a git overlay I set up, e= tc. Also, when I asnwered the quiz questions, I documented the references where I found the answers and I documented a link to my ebuilds on my git repo. The learning flow should go something like this: 1) Read this documentation, eg. http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ section on Eclass Writing and Tool References 2) Write an ebuild/eclass to do something, with skeleton howto steps, eg. name transformation like versionator (don't worry if its already been done) 3) Commit to the play overlay 4) Test the ebuild/eclass 5) Answer ebuild questions 6) Go back to step 1 and address the next issue. --=20 Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Chair of Information Technology D'Youville College Buffalo, NY 14201 USA (716) 829-8197 --------------enigEDA5E008035B9F89DF1D0658 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAku4rV4ACgkQl5yvQNBFVTUkNQCfXVd64IKVsFlgUkx4sya3L2AV QbwAn2MX9SSpAW4hbPD4j1zKaRSsyRoX =J+30 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEDA5E008035B9F89DF1D0658--