From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyRW0-0001HP-8h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:13:32 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28242E0B18; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.apserver.co.uk (server2.alteredperspective.co.uk [212.13.194.103]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF748E0AEE for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apserver.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2141A16D4E9 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:13:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.apserver.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server2.alteredperspective.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJFkjbx7PbA9 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:13:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (cpc2-ashf2-0-0-cust203.asfd.cable.ntl.com [81.109.96.204]) by mail.apserver.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C13016D4E8 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:13:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4BB8AC8F.4010708@allenjb.me.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:13:19 +0100 From: AllenJB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20091105 Lightning/0.9 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki References: <20100403163010.1897d663@mail.a3li.li> <4BB7D11F.7060207@gentoo.org> <20100404003152.4b2012da@angelstorm> <4BB8A349.4070006@allenjb.me.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 75b82b57-cc2c-4b05-98b6-d5b6b1fad447 X-Archives-Hash: c8358aaf08e4568247f54156ba58fe97 On 04/04/10 15:47, Dror Levin wrote: > Creating just another wiki is what's pointless. What I want is to > deprecate all unofficial wikis (there are others besides > gentoo-wiki.com) which were created simply because there never was an > official one and creating chaos, then centralize everything in one > official wiki, and build on top of that. Fix the historic mistake. > Concentrating information from the forums and various wikis is just > the first step. > This should be the goal of all of us, yours as well. Who wants to run > around all over the internet trying to find relevant information on > various forums, wikis, blogs, etc. when an official wiki can remedy a > big part of that, making it easier to find what you're searching for. > Instead of being scattered around, we want everything in one place, > that's how it can be made even better. > > Dror Levin > The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its own right. Starting the official wiki by effectively ripping off others work and attempting to destroy existing user communities is NOT the right way to go about things, in my opinion (and losing the editing history of those articles in the process). You should first try to start your wiki/community and make it a community in its own right, rather than trying to steal/destroy/rip off existing communities. My personal goal is to continue to maintain an existing community full of useful documentation, already concentrated in one place. The unofficial wiki avoids duplication by pointing to existing documentation where ever possible. The search problem is already dealt with by Google, so that's no reason to go about ripping off other peoples work. With your aims in mind, I don't see the point in duplicating existing material, creating TWO places you have to check to see what's been updated. If an "official wiki" starts up and becomes a major documentation centre for user contributions, then I may consider moving my articles over, but until that time I currently intend to maintain them in place, with their complete history in tact. AllenJB