From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-40494-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1NyMMm-0003hl-B4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:43:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 186B2E0993; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038FDE0969 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.130.46.197] (qiv5.kyla.fi [82.130.46.197]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C941B4036 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BB85F40.1010802@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 12:43:28 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyaSBSw6R0eQ==?= <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fi; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090916 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process References: <j2he117dbb91004030640n171d6b3u959bd6fadf2190a2@mail.gmail.com> <g2l1a0a15de1004031200tb41b24d9p72f4b4de16ef176b@mail.gmail.com> <4BB7B797.5070102@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4BB7B797.5070102@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 OpenPGP: id=B8E4ECF0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2E624791061CD54EB7CDFBB4" X-Archives-Salt: cf570d40-91e9-4ed5-aea7-1aa31c0bd805 X-Archives-Hash: 3b4473cff16e7a29ce0c8a3e71355520 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2E624791061CD54EB7CDFBB4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/04/2010 12:48 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: >> Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in >> quizzes be more "exciting" to new devs, then we could still have a >> strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the >> quizzes. So, what I propose is to transform the "quizzes" part of the >> process into a list of tasks the prospect should complete in order to >> gain the necessary ability to "pass". This ability could be measured >> in points or just by task completed. >=20 > Nice idea! >=20 >=20 >> This doesn't address them either. But I really don't think this is >> the main issue that causes the problem :) So I guess these questions >> could remain in one "easy" quiz. >=20 > While you mention the non-technical part: I imagine a gain out of movin= g > that part to the very end of recruiting: to when people know they almos= t > made it. Especially putting up these questions first, turns some peopl= e > away too: The problem is they get the wrong impression that being will > be about these boring things later on, but it isn't. >=20 > Betelgeuse, what do you think? >=20 Mentors can already suggest their students to do them in reverse order. As always patches to separate technical and organizational stuff to their own quizzes are accepted. My time on recruiting is quite maxed out already. Doing this means just not fixing the quizzes but bringing all the recruiting documentation up2date. 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