From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyLQU-00074N-PQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 08:43:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42659E09D2; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dev.gentooexperimental.org (unknown [91.191.147.225]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1913AE0957 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (ip-109-84-64-153.web.vodafone.de [109.84.64.153]) by dev.gentooexperimental.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1824E624C8 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:43:01 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) Message-ID: <4BB85176.3090207@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 10:44:38 +0200 From: Patrick Lauer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100326 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying? References: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> <20100403184831.2525766f@angelstorm> In-Reply-To: <20100403184831.2525766f@angelstorm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d706ab95-d62d-42cd-bf57-2453a8e1831f X-Archives-Hash: 4e533309555f49381f615d0e5c87f73a On 04/04/10 03:48, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200 > Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > >> - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained, >> but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but >> also to our docs-team) for years. People are constantly asking for a >> documentation wiki, but ... > > Thanks for sh**ting on my efforts. There are lots of visible changes, and I make a point of getting the word out when a new guide turns up in /doc/. I blog about the new docs I add, and I spend awhile working with contributors to make sure we get good stuff out there and that it's constantly updated -- the Openbox guide Nate Zachary wrote comes to mind. I'm also always working with developers who are writing docs in their spare time, coaching 'em through the process, assisting with GuideXML, taking patches, *and* creating patches and updates for devs who are posting documents in /proj/ and in their personal devspace. But I guess that doesn't mean anything to you. > > Oh yes, and I spend hours each week constantly updating docs based on the inflow of bugs, forum reports, and I constantly re-read each one and improve stuff where I can on-the-fly. Not everything has a bug tracker, but the end result is still a visible difference in the stuff you see on the website. > See, that's the problem. *You* are doing a good job. *We* as a team/community/ant colony aren't. The visible rate of change has slowed down, and from your reply I get the feeling that there are also fewer people working on docs than in the past. So how do we improve the situation? What needs to be done so that you could disappear for a month or two without affecting progress because there are enough other motivated people sharing the workload? My long-term goal is still to make me redundant. That way I can take a break whenever I get frustrated and I can focus on new things whenever I find something new and shiny to attract my attention...