From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nx4WY-0007g0-TH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:28:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1026E0A80; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECF3E0A62 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (e179018081.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.18.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12FF1B4075 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BB3B05F.4060700@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:28:15 +0200 From: Sebastian Pipping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100310 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7a224caa-8f4d-4cad-acac-2c73033cc28c X-Archives-Hash: e41c0d61534e340d0120f2965816dfdf Hello, On 03/31/10 07:28, Alec Warner wrote: > Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition > for gentoo.org. However Team Edition does not come with gmail and a > subset of Team Edition users would like to host their gentoo.org mail > on gmail. > Activating Standard Edition is free and likely requires minimal > configuration on dev.gentoo.org to setup. Standard Edition comes with > Google Docs, Google Calendar, Google Mail, Google Sites, Google Video, > and probably a bunch of other stuff we could turn on. I am worried that if people start using say Google Docs for collaborating on Gentoo content, everyone else is forced to use Google Docs to participate. While I do appreciate projects like TechTalks and Summer of Code I personally do not trust Google with my data. Also, most of these services are not Free Software -- I don't trust non-free software. If they are let's run our instance, not theirs. if they aren't lets go for something else. Btw if we really need a shared web-calendar let's make a project for that and get it done. Ironically, it may even fit for GSOC. > This service would be opt-in (only devs that want an account get one). > Infra should continue to offer standard mail services on > smtp.gentoo.org. As mentioned before: Opt-in is an illusion from the point on, where people need the same piece of software to collaborate. May not apply to some (Google Mail) but sure does to others. > This thread is primarily engaged in gauging interest in such a setup. > Please reply if you are interested (or go vote on the bug.) To be very clear: Please take my vote against increasing dependencies on Google. On a side note: This is not a technical discussion only. As such please use gentoo-core for this next time. Thanks. Sebastian