From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NuWhv-0004rw-AC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:57:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41733E0ADF; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tommyserver.de (unknown [85.14.198.50]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07C7E0ABB for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p4FDF226A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.223.34.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tommyserver.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97C9E52430C for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:57:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4BAA6EA0.6080801@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:57:20 +0100 From: Thomas Sachau Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item References: <201003041923.17749.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <201003241744.31105.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20100324095735.1bba94a2@angelstorm> <201003241814.45606.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20100324103237.0b534fd0@angelstorm> <20100324180334.GA23065@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20100324180334.GA23065@linux1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 OpenPGP: id=211CA2D4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig431299939CC7DB810F184D3A" X-Archives-Salt: 120f393a-3e52-4101-951d-704db999b468 X-Archives-Hash: 3c0685c54cce172d568a4611687340c4 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig431299939CC7DB810F184D3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +0000, Jeremy Olexa wrote: >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler >> wrote: >>>>> But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . >=20 > Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo. >=20 >>>> >>>> Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said th= at >>>> they didn't object to have Python 3 installed. >>> >>> They're in the minority, judging by the replies in this thread. >> >> I hate to get into the mix of this, but I suggest researching on "voca= l >> minority" and/or "silent majority" - the most vocal ones on this threa= d are >> the minority of the population. I'm not attacking anyone, mind you. >> >> I haven't expressed anything on this thread but I'm ok with marking it= >> stable and having concerned users mask it. The stages might get kinda = funky >> with both python-2 and 3 on them, but..if they are not BROKEN, I don't= >> care. >=20 > I tend to agree with this. I don't think it is right to force everyone= > to wait until most of the tree works with python3 before it goes stable= =2E > That is why python is slotted; it is possible to have both versions > installed at the same time. If we have packages in the tree that are > pulling in both versions of python but are not compatible with them, > their dependencies need to be fixed. If users do not want python-3 on > their systems, that is what /etc/portage/package.mask is for. >=20 > If we are going to make everyone wait until python-3 works with most > packages in the tree, let's un-slot all versionf of python and hard mas= k > python-3. >=20 > William >=20 Who said, that we are against a stable python-3 version? The main point (as already pointed out in my previous thread about python= -3) is, that it is not in any way required or used. But there are still wrong dependencies (where A= rfrever just closes bugs as invalid) and packages like the mentioned "setuptools", which will always = pull in python-3. Why should we pull in python-3 for ever user, force the usual user to ins= tall a useless python-3 and additional files in python-3 path for many python packages? The minimum w= ould be to tell them, that this python version is currently useless and they have the option to mask= it locally. And i really dont think, that the default stable user knows, that python-3 is not real= ly needed and can be masked, usually the pulled in dependencies are required, so he will expec= t the same for python-3. --=20 Thomas Sachau Gentoo Linux Developer --------------enig431299939CC7DB810F184D3A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iJwEAQEKAAYFAkuqbqUACgkQG7kqcTWJkGfxuAP/S7dLC+5yYX/ejRL7pCknwb0Z F04BJj/p+0exjmBTmmZ5pE6YstbK4/72RojmahByLghKWCDKQr8CCoBGNY4aF7nz zV7++vqy6iAwjBoesZmRH/fe3hpj5f7K+B3HbG+5MrhBmuu7olExI+g1D6uBVZ2M mNz4dnlLpg90wxqffso= =1Kne -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig431299939CC7DB810F184D3A--