From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NsdbJ-0008Nc-3k for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:55:01 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72C82E09A2; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f216.google.com (mail-gx0-f216.google.com [209.85.217.216]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9912E091D for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so566897gxk.9 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ihxdHEpbK+f6TO9753LO6InXRVsmJtMGNoKhGHWc6GU=; b=GilR+0+/26FshXThc080IqHS4H0JsQH3IzzwHkPTwUf7bkojVBqQiUtx5XaClnqZpC YPW6Q8/sT+jxlrvaOLkM2Yj2TtACXxhhY2G3DohCm8MYcezS7um3Reg4BpEmfqkWRmhF ZHnCGMnWC4ehIC1hl+BrPCPpcF86BRad0riEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q4u2AGKdYYeIa4w/EXn9Vz5tPbPtAZB8anbnuLeXLtzCkffat0ick++r4sd+kSux0o /RQ2li5v/iTdnZlNisSfI1qaYIBuTb9OFW+LuZcXjuqBHUyd7rsDrk40KA10BS45lIvH VlHEc4fyVIWRGT+yv7cJ0QGOR3r1JkhqoRLqk= Received: by 10.91.85.9 with SMTP id n9mr602954agl.73.1269010487449; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-0-94-43.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.94.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm789595gxk.11.2010.03.19.07.54.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BA39032.6020302@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:54:42 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100304 Gentoo/2.0.3 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it References: <4BA27CE2.7080005@gentoo.org> <20100319093033.16437529@snowmobile> <4BA34E5C.7040800@gmail.com> <201003191134.27046.Arfrever@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201003191134.27046.Arfrever@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8a4f0920-154e-4ebb-990c-43bfd43ac419 X-Archives-Hash: 48034befce4356fa39fdaf16ccfec00a Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-03-19 11:13:48 Dale napisa=C5=82(a): > =20 >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> =20 >>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:23:31 -0500 >>> Dale wrote: >>> >>> =20 >>>>> It's being installed because it's a dependency of something you use= . >>>>> >>>>> Replace Python with any other library and we wouldn't be having thi= s >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>> =20 >>>> OK. Right now, as you type this, what package depends on python-3 >>>> and won't work with python-2? Anything at all? If it is nothing, >>>> then why install it? >>>> >>>> =20 >>> And that's where you're making the mistake: you're treating Python as >>> being different from every other package. >>> >>> In every other case, you want things to be using the newest version o= f a >>> slotted package where possible. Why aren't you complaining that you w= ere >>> forced to install gcc 4.3 and 4.1 when 3.4 worked just fine? >>> >>> >>> =20 >> Because, when I installed gcc 4.3, I could then unmerge the old gcc. >> That's why I didn't complain about that. With python, we still have t= o >> have the current version plus the new version which is not being used = at >> all. >> >> Am I not correct in that? If the new python is installed, what exactl= y >> is going to use it? I used the new gcc. It worked fine. I unmerged >> the old one with no wasted space and one less package installed. This >> doesn't appear to be the case with python-3 tho. It's going to be >> installed and just sit there like a rock. >> =20 > Python 3 is used during installation of packages, which support Python = 2 and > Python 3 and support installation for multiple Python ABIs. You can dir= ectly > execute scripts with "-3.1" suffix (e.g. "bpython-3.1" or "coverage-3.1= ") > to use Python 3.1 even when Python 2.* is set as main active version of= Python. > > =20 But again, if it will work with python2 then you don't need python3. So=20 you still don't need it installed just as has been said many times. Dale :-) :-)