Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Remove cups from default profile to solve circular deps

[Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>]

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> El vie, 05-03-2010 a las 19:03 +0100, Dawid Węgliński escribió:
>    
>> On Friday 05 March 2010 17:12:23 Roy Bamford wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> That's not a new install as per the handbook. Neither are you a new
>>> user as you have a premade make.conf and world file and some experience
>>> with Gentoo.
>>>
>>> Put yourself in the place of a brand new Gentoo user doing his/her
>>> first install.
>>>
>>> It needs to just work out of the box, one way or another, without
>>> forums posts or calls for help in #gentoo about circular dependences.
>>> That's not just cups - thats all circular dependencies.
>>>        
>> Brand new gentoo user goes throu handbook ->  reads "set up USE variables in
>> make.conf" and does it according to his/her needs following use.*.desc. If
>> gentoo was new to me i *would* enter cups as i use printers often at work.
>>
>>      
> +1
>
> I did it (I mean, add some commonly used USE flags) in all my Gentoo
> installations, and I would add "cups" for sure (since printing is used
> every day in most machines I use and administrate).
>
> Leio pointed some messages ago about the possibility of splitting some
> poppler parts to fix this circular dep issue, what is the problem with
> that option? The suggestion is not about splitting every poppler part in
> tons of ebuilds, but simply split poppler in the minimum needed to fix
> this problem (sorry if I missed the reply, I haven't followed discussion
> too deeply :-( )
>
> Thanks and best regards
>    

This is what I am saying.  *IF* cups were some little known or obscure 
USE flag, one could make the argument that it would not be set until 
later on.  I started with Gentoo over 6 years ago.  I had only used 
anything Linux for a few months.  I knew what cups was.  Even tho I was 
new to Linux when I first installed Mandrake, I knew I had a printer.  
It was a old used one at the time but I still had a printer.  I wanted 
that printer to work.  Mandrake picked that up for me, Gentoo is not 
that way.  I have to pick that up, not the OS.

I am also saying that this needs a long term fix.  I'm thinking a long 
term fix like happened with the blocks issue.  If in the short term this 
USE flag ha to be removed, then fine.  It's doesn't really fix anything 
is my opinion.  If a user turns that flag on as is in the docs, the 
problem is still there.  This is why we need a long term fix.  This may 
take a good while, months, year, who knows.  This just should not be 
called "fixed" when the problem is still there.  Please don't just 
remove the USE flag and forget the reason it happened.  This is Gentoo.  
I'm proud to tell people I use it.  I want it to stay on top of the pile 
not fall to the bottom.

Dale

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