From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NnKSc-0003LE-Ps for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:28:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43384E0C1C; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f193.google.com (mail-yx0-f193.google.com [209.85.210.193]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EEDE0B4A for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe31 with SMTP id 31so1596315yxe.20 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:27:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QTlzTPITk/pKH8dwhdny+3LXBWORnTJv6+X+6Z2FeGk=; b=C0gz3IF5Kxj4cfDxnxkNcO8y1uu3XgO4zEy0V7pF7D+W2qFq7hdbnV5UiWzxDINOsX uhPMkoiT0V9yeLSSrd73pXKhi/ZNMWu7yHqMBAJ9W3cYpbjaD6AMmTaghSo29dW5ijhR rP0zmDvXPM6m7WooIIzmqK1/AaJjQSRkz7ZWo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pvfQQ4DRArwv8LnBD+Bj+2P9mHQ9QVMNze/GPAfHYMsN2WEbE5CnMYw1jLm18eJHGC 0v7Eb6G+JECQyLh6OTqP/RtQBKcgS8NLtPP5blq/O2GI/aPwIpKF7LVerkw4tqXcs31F GmGZDSiCscl95siadQRN0haPFIstygR6vMBJ4= Received: by 10.101.173.10 with SMTP id a10mr168284anp.14.1267745270247; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (adsl-0-94-66.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.94.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm369536gxk.3.2010.03.04.15.27.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:27:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B9041F3.7080500@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:27:47 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100223 Gentoo/2.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Remove cups from default profile to solve circular deps References: <1267641936.26170.5.camel@localhost> <201003040756.48943.cla@gentoo.org> <20100303230807.2a1ac862@angelstorm> <4B90118F.4040101@gmail.com> <4B90356A.6040207@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 087bcf27-38e9-4187-b84a-a85f95f4bda4 X-Archives-Hash: 9ead892caa3c558fccbd1dfce31473a2 chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > On 4 March 2010 23:34, Dale wrote: > [...] > >>> What it does not fix is the case of users who enable both cairo and >>> cups useflags on a system where neither gtk+ nor cups is present >>> yet. [...] >>> >> In the other post, I explained how this will not fix this at all. >> > So we agree there. You did not seem to grasp the following part: > > >>> But this issue can be discussed separately from whether cups >>> should be enabled in profiles. >>> > Cheers, > Actually, it is the problem. You want to remove cups to solve the problem of circular dependencies. How can you discuss one without the other? To say that you want to fix a problem that is not fixed just doesn't make sense. The problem, whether you remove cups or not, is still there. As soon as a user adds cups, you have changed nothing at all. The only difference is you get to blame the user for "creating" the problem by adding cups. It seems to me that the problem was created by splitting popular and now you need yet another fix. There needs to be a better way to do this. Fixing a fix, then fixing another fix and so on is not going to work. This is like running in circles. It gets you nowhere. Dale :-) :-)