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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:41:29 -0600
From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Remove cups from default profile to solve
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chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
> On 03/03/10 20:17, Dale wrote:
>> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
>>> I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
>>>>>> to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. I don't
>>>>>> think cups should be part of the base profile, and as a result
>>>>>> cascading to the desktop profile. And a lot of people seem to
>>>>>> agree. Users can always enable that functionality when they
>>>>>> need it. It is not something that is necessary for running a
>>>>>> desktop system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that CUPS is not really necessary in the desktop profile, and
>>>>> especially in the base profile. Many systems run desktop
>>>>> environments without needing printing support. As we advance further
>>>>> toward a paperless computing experience, the need for printing
>>>>> support becomes even less. And, as it is incredibly simple to add
>>>>> print capabilities by placing the cups USE flag in /etc/make.conf,
>>>>> that choice should be left to the user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Nathan Zachary
>>>> One could argue the opposite as well. Adding -cups to make.conf is
>>>> just as easy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm one of those lowly users.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-) :-)
>>>>
>>> I think that the point is that it is better to have it disabled by
>>> default so that new users do not run into these circular dependencies
>>> upon their first installation. They can then add cups to their
>>> make.conf and emerge -avuDN world to get full printing support.
>>>
>>> Just as a sidebar, there is not a "lowly user." Your input is greatly
>>> important in all matters regarding Gentoo as you are a member of the
>>> userbase. It's your operating system too! :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nathan Zachary
>>>
>>
>> Let just think of it this way. I have to reinstall say from a dead
>> hard drive. I have copies of my make.conf and world file. I install
>> my new drive, download the tarball and unpack it. I copy over
>> make.conf and world. Naturally cups will be enabled. Then I sync
>> and start to update. Isn't that circular dependency still going to
>> be there? After all, this is how I install Gentoo even if from
>> scratch. I set my USE line before I start to emerge or update.
>>
>> It seems to me, in my situation, this would not solve much. Maybe I
>> am incorrect in that.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-) :-)
>>
> I believe the circular dependency is solved if one emerges gtk+ (and
> possibly poppler?) without CUPS support, and then goes back and
> emerges everything with CUPS.
>
> Regards,
> Nathan Zachary
So in the situation above, removing cups doesn't help any? The user
would still have to work around the dependency problem. Is there not a
better way to handle this?
Dale
:-) :-)