From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmxpa-00008j-Kp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:18:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DE52E0CD4; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from themis.wsgurus.com (themis.wsgurus.com [65.98.70.26]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBB3E0CBC for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from adsl-70-253-170-117.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([70.253.170.117] helo=[192.168.1.240]) by themis.wsgurus.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmxp2-00044W-1I for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: <4B8EEE42.80306@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:18:26 -0600 From: Nathan Zachary User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100225 Thunderbird/3.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Remove cups from default profile to solve circular deps References: <4B8C3438.90909@gentoo.org> <1267641936.26170.5.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020409000100030600050706" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - themis.wsgurus.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gentoo.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Archives-Salt: 5f31997f-6bca-4bfb-a3cd-4999693c8202 X-Archives-Hash: e07a1cbd8733b241684901150f483897 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020409000100030600050706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/03/10 15:51, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > >> I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not >> having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile, >> while others do, just because maintainers are lazy. >> > I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is > to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. I don't > think cups should be part of the base profile, and as a result > cascading to the desktop profile. And a lot of people seem to > agree. Users can always enable that functionality when they > need it. It is not something that is necessary for running a > desktop system. > > Cheers, > I agree that CUPS is not really necessary in the desktop profile, and especially in the base profile. Many systems run desktop environments without needing printing support. As we advance further toward a paperless computing experience, the need for printing support becomes even less. And, as it is incredibly simple to add print capabilities by placing the cups USE flag in /etc/make.conf, that choice should be left to the user. Regards, Nathan Zachary --------------020409000100030600050706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/03/10 15:51, Ben de Groot wrote:

On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp <leio@gentoo.org> wrote:

I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI =
toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
while others do, just because maintainers are lazy.

I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. I don't
think cups should be part of the base profile, and as a result
cascading to the desktop profile. And a lot of people seem to
agree. Users can always enable that functionality when they
need it. It is not something that is necessary for running a
desktop system.

Cheers,

I agree that CUPS is not really necessary in the desktop profile, and especially in the base profile.=C2=A0 Many systems run desktop environments without needing printing support.=C2=A0 As we advance further toward a paperless computing experience, the need for printing support becomes even less.=C2=A0 And, a= s it is incredibly simple to add print capabilities by placing the cups USE flag in /etc/make.conf, that choice should be left to the user.

Regards,
Nathan Zachary
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