From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NUnkf-0001a2-Cl for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:54:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53EF9E0843; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B262E0843 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (smer.tone.cz [89.250.247.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C9967CDE for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B4CE0D0.9070207@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:51:28 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?VG9tw6HFoSBDaHbDoXRhbA==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091229 Thunderbird/3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn References: <201001112305.16532.hwoarang@gentoo.org> <4B4BD225.5030308@gentoo.org> <201001121533.08479.vapier@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201001121533.08479.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c8a367a2-f45c-4668-896d-92339b916cdf X-Archives-Hash: 6a12eccc52edf6ce3c87a1faef9006c1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dne 12.1.2010 21:33, Mike Frysinger napsal(a): > On Monday 11 January 2010 22:43:18 Jeremy Olexa wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:36:37 -0500, Richard Freeman wrote: >>> On 01/11/2010 06:30 PM, Arnaud Launay wrote: >>>> As a newsmaster, I'm a bit concerned by this. >>> >>> Yeah, inn seems like a really high-profile package to mask for remova= l. >>> It would be conspicuous in its absence. >>> >>> Would it make sense to post on -dev BEFORE masking packages like this= ? >>> I'm sure there are lots of people who would chip in before something >>> like this dies. >> >> (A general reply, not targeted towards you, Rich) >> >> Speaking on behalf of the treecleaners: >> The fact is, some of us have never heard of "inn" and until Gentoo has >> some sort of "popularity tracking" software/tool, the treecleaners wil= l >> continue to mask unmaintained software. We can't possible know about e= very >> package in the tree and if it looks like it is unmaintained (open bugs= w/o >> action) then we will mask it for removal unless someone fixes it and >> maintains it. >=20 > you need to fix your filter then. an "open bug" is not an acceptable r= eason=20 > for masking a package. if you're going to clean a package, you need to= =20 > research actual reasons to mask & punt. > -mike Dont be joking, Your approach of adding new packages to main tree is that you add them with empty metadata.xml and we have to remove them in few years because they are steaming piles of bugs... Lack of maintainer and open bugs are valid reasons. And since WE want to enable as-needed as default at some time we need to work on the bugs -> if packages have no maintainer and fails it we will have to punt them (that bug was open for 2 years+, and clearly there were even newer versions none bothered to bump to). If anyone picks them up and fix in the mask for cleaning that's great, because that is the reason for having that mask, so people can be loud about removal. We could simply punt things at the moment we want without any notice if we would not care about user responses for such actions. Currently there are 109 reason [1] why as-needed cant be done, if the package has maintainer he should work on it, otherwise byes, there are quite large unmaintained areas in the tree we have to care about. 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