From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NUl4J-0001nY-BK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:02:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6528E0879; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B925E086E for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([unknown] [96.245.54.62]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KW50095ABEHH4Y5@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:01:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B82111759FDB for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:28 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4B4CB8F8.10408@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:28 -0500 From: Richard Freeman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091229 Thunderbird/3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn References: <201001112305.16532.hwoarang@gentoo.org> <20100111233024.GF8358@launay.org> <4B4BD225.5030308@gentoo.org> In-reply-to: Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a732d21e-9062-4a06-b7c8-27eb0ed54b0c X-Archives-Hash: bcd63e7ad5cdf285d45e2bf5a51e706c On 01/11/2010 10:43 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > (A general reply, not targeted towards you, Rich) No prob - my post wasn't really directed personally at anybody. > > Speaking on behalf of the treecleaners: > The fact is, some of us have never heard of "inn" and until Gentoo has > some sort of "popularity tracking" software/tool, the treecleaners will > continue to mask unmaintained software. Yikes - just goes to show how NNTP is starting to fade into the past. :) I'm not sure if it would cause undue overhead, but perhaps a solution would be to: 1. Open a bug stating that the package will be discarded - assign to the maintainer. This gives the maintainer a chance to wake up. You can even do this without having to try to contact them first which might save you a step if you're doing that now. 2. Periodically post a list of packages that have said bugs logged for more than two weeks on -dev-announce - reference the bug number. That gives the community at large a chance to pick up the package. 3. In another two weeks, if some dev hasn't stepped in to maintain, then mask as usual. Don't announce this since anybody who cares should have CC'ed themselves on the bug. 4. Of course, security issues / etc take priority and appropriate action is taken quickly (try to find a maintainer, but mask otherwise). I'd think that if you tagged bugs appropriately you could largely automate #2 and #3 - just query for bugs over a certain age with a given keyword or whatever. This would probably lengthen the time needed to get rid of a package, but it wouldn't really increase the work needed by too much. You already announce on the list that you're masking packages - now you'd announce two weeks earlier and skip the announcement when the mask is made. This is just a suggestion, but it does eliminate the need to try to make judgment calls about whether a given package is or isn't "important." Rich