[gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

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Hello.

As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the
Gentoo Council's empty seat.
We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
email later with the link and the missing information, but for now, let
me just share the dates for nomination and voting:

nomination: December 17th to 30th
voting: January 1st to 14th

To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.

If you have any doubts, please contact me in IRC, you can use the
elections project channel[2], or email the Elections team[3].

 [1] -
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_4f7be0d0211ab0bbb9af6cfaa7023aba.xml
 [2] - #gentoo-elections in the Freenode or OFTC IRC networks
 [3] - elections@gentoo.org

- -- 
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections
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[gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

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Hello.

As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the
Gentoo Council's empty seat.
We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
email later with the link and the missing information, but for now, let
me just share the dates for nomination and voting:

nomination: December 17th to 30th
voting: January 1st to 14th

To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.

If you have any doubts, please contact me in IRC, you can use the
elections project channel[2], or email the Elections team[3].

 [1] -
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_4f7be0d0211ab0bbb9af6cfaa7023aba.xml
 [2] - #gentoo-elections in the Freenode or OFTC IRC networks
 [3] - elections@gentoo.org


PS - Sorry for the double mail.

- -- 
Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Fabian Groffen]

On 15-12-2009 23:57:41 -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> nomination: December 17th to 30th
> voting: January 1st to 14th
> 
> To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
> gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
> Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.

I nominate (in no particular order):
lu_zero
patrick
scarabeus


-- 
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[David Abbott]

> To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
> gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
> Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.

I nominate (in no particular order):
jmbsvicetto
tove
darkside

-- 
David Abbott (dabbott)
Gentoo PR | Trustees

[gentoo-dev] Re: Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Torsten Veller]

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* David Abbott <dabbott@gentoo.org>:
> I nominate (in no particular order):
> tove

Thanks, but I decline.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Jeremy Olexa]

David Abbott wrote:
>> To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
>> gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
>> Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.
> 
> I nominate (in no particular order):
> jmbsvicetto
> tove
> darkside
> 

Flattered, but I decline. I don't agree with the way the Council works 
and don't have motivation to attempt to change it.
-Jeremy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

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On 20-12-2009 15:13, David Abbott wrote:
>> To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
>> gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
>> Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.
> 
> I nominate (in no particular order):
> jmbsvicetto
> tove
> darkside
> 

David,

thanks for the confidence, but as an official for this election, I have
to decline.

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Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Richard Freeman]

On 12/20/2009 01:04 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> Flattered, but I decline. I don't agree with the way the Council works
> and don't have motivation to attempt to change it.

Out of curiosity, would you care to elaborate?  I don't have much of a 
political axe to grind so I guess I tend to stay out of the politics...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Richard Freeman]

On 12/21/2009 06:33 AM, Richard Freeman wrote:
> On 12/20/2009 01:04 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>> Flattered, but I decline. I don't agree with the way the Council works
>> and don't have motivation to attempt to change it.
>
> Out of curiosity, would you care to elaborate? I don't have much of a
> political axe to grind so I guess I tend to stay out of the politics...
>
>

Sorry - that was not meant to go to the list, although list-replies in 
-project might be appropriate if they are constructive...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2009.12.16 00:36, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for
> the
> Gentoo Council's empty seat.
> We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
> election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
> email later with the link and the missing information, but for now,
> let
> me just share the dates for nomination and voting:
> 
> nomination: December 17th to 30th
[snip]
> Regards,
> 
> Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
> Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections
> 

I nominate bonsaikitten (Patrick)

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Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) an member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
trustees


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Tobias Scherbaum]

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Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2009, 23:36 -0100 schrieb Jorge Manuel B. S.
Vicetto:
> nomination: December 17th to 30th

I'd like to nominate dev-zero.

- Tobias

-- 
Praxisbuch Nagios
http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/pbnagiosger/

https://www.xing.com/profile/Tobias_Scherbaum

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Patrick Lauer]

On 12/24/09 23:50, Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2009.12.16 00:36, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for
>> the
>> Gentoo Council's empty seat.
>> We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
>> election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
>> email later with the link and the missing information, but for now,
>> let
>> me just share the dates for nomination and voting:
>>
>> nomination: December 17th to 30th
> [snip]
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
>> Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections
>>
> 
> I nominate bonsaikitten (Patrick)
> 

Thanks Roy.

I accept the nomination.

wkr,

Patrick

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Tomáš Chvátal]

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Dne 20.12.2009 15:43, Fabian Groffen napsal(a):
> I nominate (in no particular order):
> lu_zero
> patrick
> scarabeus
> 
> 

Thanks,
I will try it :] Maybe someone will vote for me after all :P

Anyway, i wont write huge manifesto but these things i would like spent
my time:

QA propagation (motivating people, explaining why we are doing stuff and
so on)

Propagating the way "If we are not sure, lets ask QA guys", instead of
the current approach when there is no-one officially bothering to ask
(yep we can reply to the topics regulary but i really want everyone to
be one way or another involved in QA)

Ricing vs. stabling balance:
Currently we have some areas nicely shaped (namely kde or x11 where i
can be sure what it does) on the other hand we have large areas of the
tree undermaintained (lisp as example from what i can see what is
hitting QA bugs).

So we need to find a way how to distribute power and motivate people for
the weak areas. We also should visualize the output to have it simple to
spot (some tool for grumpy probably should do this).

So basically my work would be forward good upgrade path and more mature
tree as whole not only some parts.

Cheers

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Tomáš Chvátal
Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Overlays/QA/X11]
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[gentoo-dev] QA Documentation

[Richard Freeman]

Started new subject since this is only tangentially related to the election.

On 12/27/2009 06:16 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Anyway, i wont write huge manifesto but these things i would like spent
> my time:
>
> QA propagation (motivating people, explaining why we are doing stuff and
> so on)
>

Could this include documenting QA policies a bit better?  Some are 
documented in scattered docs, some are in the ebuild quiz answers (which 
of course no two developers have the exact same answers to, and they 
aren't anywhere you can point to for reference), and many are learned 
when QA files a bug on a package one maintains.

It would be really nice to just have a list somewhere that we could 
periodically look at and refresh our memories against.  Plus, some 
policies aren't always obvious or can be misinterpreted.

Don't get me wrong - the QA team is doing a great job and I love Diego's 
work on the tinderbox.  I've had a bug or two filed by them, and I've 
found that they've only been helpful when somebody actually bothers to 
try to resolve them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Documentation

[Tomáš Chvátal]

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Dne 28.12.2009 03:43, Richard Freeman napsal(a):
> 
> Could this include documenting QA policies a bit better?  Some are
> documented in scattered docs, some are in the ebuild quiz answers (which
> of course no two developers have the exact same answers to, and they
> aren't anywhere you can point to for reference), and many are learned
> when QA files a bug on a package one maintains.
> 
> It would be really nice to just have a list somewhere that we could
> periodically look at and refresh our memories against.  Plus, some
> policies aren't always obvious or can be misinterpreted.
> 
> Don't get me wrong - the QA team is doing a great job and I love Diego's
> work on the tinderbox.  I've had a bug or two filed by them, and I've
> found that they've only been helpful when somebody actually bothers to
> try to resolve them.
> 

Yeah that is the weak point. We need to write for each policy what it
does and why we enforce it (probably also common approach to fix). And
we should ENFORCE it, not just fill bugs about it, because mostly people
tend to ignore that things.

Tom
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Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Documentation

[Fabio Erculiani]

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Richard Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> [..]
>
> Don't get me wrong - the QA team is doing a great job and I love Diego's
> work on the tinderbox.  I've had a bug or two filed by them, and I've found
> that they've only been helpful when somebody actually bothers to try to
> resolve them.
>
>

Just to let you all know,
we have two build servers since 2007 in where we compile Portage ~arch
(x86, amd64) and produce binary packages through Entropy for Sabayon
(http://sabayon.org/packages). In 2010 we plan, with some students
from the University of Milano-Bicocca to add some static analysis bits
into the workflow. Maybe, there are some commonalities between the two
ideas (tinderbox vs what Sabayon is doing already).

-- 
Fabio Erculiani
http://www.sabayon.org
http://www.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Documentation

[Richard Freeman]

On 12/28/2009 06:23 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> we should ENFORCE it, not just fill bugs about it, because mostly people
> tend to ignore that things.
>

Agreed, although some presumption of innocence should be assumed.  If a 
dev is ignoring repoman output that is a fairly big violation, but if a 
dev missed that compiling under some strange set of circumstances or 
combination of use flags causes a problem, well, that's a bug that needs 
to be fixed.  There were some --as-needed issues detected by the 
tinderbox that only show up when you use a modified gcc profile, for 
example.  That doesn't mean they're not worth fixing, but we shouldn't 
punish people for that stuff.

I don't think the QA team has an issue with mistakes (not that I can 
really speak for them) - their main frustration is probably when bugs 
get filed and then get ignored.  Expecting people to resolve bugs in a 
week for minor issues is probably asking a bit much, but if a dev has 14 
packages with 25 open bugs each that are six months old that is probably 
a cause for concern that should be escalated to devrel.

On the other hand, some allowance for brain-dead upstream tactics should 
be made.  I'd consider embedded libraries a QA issue, but if we made 
that a stern policy we'd never see chromium in the tree for quite a long 
time.  I'm sure the guys maintaining that would love to try to patch out 
as much of the embedded stuff as they can, but they've got a LOT of work 
to do due to the way it was written.  I'm not sure that simply banning 
chromium from the tree is the right approach either as long as upstream 
deals with the inevitable security issues when they come up.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Tiziano Müller]

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Am Freitag, den 25.12.2009, 19:09 +0100 schrieb Tobias Scherbaum:
> Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2009, 23:36 -0100 schrieb Jorge Manuel B. S.
> Vicetto:
> > nomination: December 17th to 30th
> 
> I'd like to nominate dev-zero.

And I accept, thanks.

-- 
Tiziano Müller
Gentoo Linux Developer
Areas of responsibility:
  Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
E-Mail   : dev-zero@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Thomas Anderson]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:57:41PM -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
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> Hello.
> 
> As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the
> Gentoo Council's empty seat.
> We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
> election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
> email later with the link and the missing information, but for now, let
> me just share the dates for nomination and voting:
> 
> nomination: December 17th to 30th
> voting: January 1st to 14th
> 
> To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
> gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
> Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.
> 
> If you have any doubts, please contact me in IRC, you can use the
> elections project channel[2], or email the Elections team[3].

I nominate tanderson. And I (obviously) accept. :)
-- 
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Thomas Anderson
Gentoo Developer
/////////
Areas of responsibility:
AMD64, Secretary to the Gentoo Council
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Markos Chandras]

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> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:57:41PM -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
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> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the
> > Gentoo Council's empty seat.
> > We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
> > election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
> > email later with the link and the missing information, but for now, let
> > me just share the dates for nomination and voting:
> >
> > nomination: December 17th to 30th
> > voting: January 1st to 14th
> >
> > To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
> > gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
> > Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.
> >
> > If you have any doubts, please contact me in IRC, you can use the
> > elections project channel[2], or email the Elections team[3].
> 
 
I nominate Alex Alexander ( wired )

Cheers

-- 
Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise/Kernel/AMD64/Bug-wrangler]
Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Alex Alexander]

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On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 09:27:12PM +0200, Markos Chandras wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:57:41PM -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > As announced by Denis (Calchan)[1], we need to have an election for the
> > > Gentoo Council's empty seat.
> > > We'll be putting up a page with all the information for the Council
> > > election, including the election officials, asap. I'll send another
> > > email later with the link and the missing information, but for now, let
> > > me just share the dates for nomination and voting:
> > >
> > > nomination: December 17th to 30th
> > > voting: January 1st to 14th
> > >
> > > To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
> > > gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
> > > Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.
> > >
> > > If you have any doubts, please contact me in IRC, you can use the
> > > elections project channel[2], or email the Elections team[3].
> > 
>  
> I nominate Alex Alexander ( wired )

I accept the nomination.

Thanks Markos :)

> Cheers
> 
> -- 
> Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
> Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise/Kernel/AMD64/Bug-wrangler]
> Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org

-- 
Alex Alexander :: wired
Gentoo Developer
www.linuxized.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Election for the Gentoo Council empty seat

[Luca Barbato]

On 12/20/2009 11:43 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 15-12-2009 23:57:41 -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
>> nomination: December 17th to 30th
>> voting: January 1st to 14th
>>
>> To nominate anyone for the empty seat, please send an email to the
>> gentoo-dev ml. Anyone can nominate for the Council, but only current
>> Gentoo Developers can stand for and vote in the election.
> 
> I nominate (in no particular order):
> lu_zero

Thank you for the trust, I'd gladly accept but, as you can all see from
this late reply, I'm in sorely need for either a better mail client
and/or other ways to be more responsive.

I think either Patrick or Tomáš could be a good asset for the council in
my place. Hopefully in the mean time I'll focus on fixing what make me
being slackered out of council and reply this late to your nomination =)

lu

-- 

Luca Barbato
Gentoo/linux
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero