[gentoo-dev] Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Samuli Suominen]

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
net-news/eventwatcher

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277417.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
kde-misc/kisdnwatch

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277415.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
net-ftp/kasablanca

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277172.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
net-misc/ktraynetworker

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #276891.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
x11-themes/activeheart-kwin

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #276876.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
app-office/kbudget

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #276851.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
app-backup/konserve

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #276205.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
x11-themes/comix

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #248883.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
kde-misc/kdirstat

# Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
# Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #278628.
# Masked for removal in 30 days.
media-sound/krecord

There will be a second part to this, about same amount of pkgs from:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Peter Volkov]

В Птн, 16/10/2009 в 23:09 +0300, Samuli Suominen пишет:
> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
> net-news/eventwatcher
> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
...
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823

Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
applications?

-- 
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Samuli Suominen]

Peter Volkov wrote:
> В Птн, 16/10/2009 в 23:09 +0300, Samuli Suominen пишет:
>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
>> net-news/eventwatcher
>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
> ...
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
> 
> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
> applications?
> 

No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Jörg Schaible]

Hi Samuli,

Samuli Suominen wrote:

> Peter Volkov wrote:
>> ? ???, 16/10/2009 ? 23:09 +0300, Samuli Suominen ?????:
>>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
>>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
>>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
>>> net-news/eventwatcher
>>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
>> ...
>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
>> 
>> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
>> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
>> applications?
>> 
> 
> No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
> installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
> the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.

Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchange
integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unless
this time, I have to stick with KDE3. 

However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some that I
use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE3
setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
dependency with <kdelibs-4 to effectively block those ebuilds when KDE4 is
installed.

Please reconsider these actions.

- Jörg

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Ben de Groot]

2009/11/3 Jörg Schaible <joerg.schaible@gmx.de>
> >>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
> >>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
> >>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
> >>> net-news/eventwatcher
> >>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
> >> ...
> >>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
> >>
> >> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
> >> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
> >> applications?
> >>
> >
> > No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
> > installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
> > the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.
>
> Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchange
> integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unless
> this time, I have to stick with KDE3.
>
> However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some that I
> use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE3
> setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
> farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
> apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
> dependency with <kdelibs-4 to effectively block those ebuilds when KDE4 is
> installed.

You should join the kde-sunset (aka kde3) overlay team and maintain those
packages, with the proper kde4 blocks, in that overlay. It expressly exists for
people who need legacy applications.

--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
______________________________________________________

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Ben de Groot]

2009/11/3 Jörg Schaible <joerg.schaible@gmx.de>
> >>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
> >>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
> >>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
> >>> net-news/eventwatcher
> >>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
> >> ...
> >>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
> >>
> >> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
> >> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
> >> applications?
> >>
> >
> > No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
> > installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
> > the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.
>
> Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchange
> integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unless
> this time, I have to stick with KDE3.
>
> However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some that I
> use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE3
> setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
> farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
> apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
> dependency with <kdelibs-4 to effectively block those ebuilds when KDE4 is
> installed.

You should join the kde-sunset (aka kde3) overlay team and maintain those
packages, with the proper kde4 blocks, in that overlay. It expressly exists for
people who need legacy applications.

--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
______________________________________________________

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> 2009/11/3 Jörg Schaible <joerg.schaible@gmx.de>
>   
>>>>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (16 Oct 2009)
>>>>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
>>>>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
>>>>> net-news/eventwatcher
>>>>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
>>>>>           
>>>> ...
>>>>         
>>>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
>>>>>           
>>>> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
>>>> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
>>>> applications?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
>>> installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
>>> the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.
>>>       
>> Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchange
>> integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unless
>> this time, I have to stick with KDE3.
>>
>> However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some that I
>> use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE3
>> setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
>> farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
>> apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
>> dependency with <kdelibs-4 to effectively block those ebuilds when KDE4 is
>> installed.
>>     
>
> You should join the kde-sunset (aka kde3) overlay team and maintain those
> packages, with the proper kde4 blocks, in that overlay. It expressly exists for
> people who need legacy applications.
>
> --
> Ben de Groot
> Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
> ______________________________________________________
>
>   

< lowly user here>

We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last
few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues".  KDE 4 is just
not ready quite yet.  I firmly believe it will be in the next few months
and with each upgrade it gets better.  As I wrote on the KDE list a
short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us
when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained.  I'm
not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from
upstream.  Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updating.

What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in
the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released.  I
have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point. 
Surely this can be done somehow.  If not, KDE needs to rethink how they
do this next time so that it can.  It's not like KDE is new on the block.

Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem
with how KDE is handling the releases.  It sounds like KDE has dropped
the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early.  I'm not a dev so I could be
wrong here.

< end lowly user >

Dale

P. S.  Going back to my hole now. 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Ben de Groot]

2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last
> few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues".  KDE 4 is just
> not ready quite yet.  I firmly believe it will be in the next few months
> and with each upgrade it gets better.  As I wrote on the KDE list a
> short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us
> when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained.  I'm
> not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from
> upstream.  Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updating.
>
> What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in
> the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released.  I
> have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point.
> Surely this can be done somehow.  If not, KDE needs to rethink how they
> do this next time so that it can.  It's not like KDE is new on the block.
>
> Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem
> with how KDE is handling the releases.  It sounds like KDE has dropped
> the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early.  I'm not a dev so I could be
> wrong here.

I agree with you that KDE4 is not yet up to the standards of stability and
usability we are used to in KDE3. However, both KDE and Qt upstream
have de facto dropped support for their respective version 3. This means
nobody is looking at security issues for those old versions. We cannot be
expected to do that job for them, and do not want to maintain versions
no longer supported upstream with possibly unknown security bugs.

As you say, it is indeed an upstream problem, which forces our hand.
But to extend a hand to those users who want to stick with the old versions
and are willing to take possible security risks, we have started the kde3
overlay. And we are happy to help "lowly" users like you to get the skills
to co-maintain those packages in the overlay.

As it is now, we have no Gentoo developer who is committed to maintain
both Qt3 and KDE3, and we feel it is irresponsible to leave those
unmaintained in the tree.

Cheers,
-- 
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
______________________________________________________

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>   
>> We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last
>> few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues".  KDE 4 is just
>> not ready quite yet.  I firmly believe it will be in the next few months
>> and with each upgrade it gets better.  As I wrote on the KDE list a
>> short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us
>> when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained.  I'm
>> not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from
>> upstream.  Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updating.
>>
>> What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in
>> the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released.  I
>> have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point.
>> Surely this can be done somehow.  If not, KDE needs to rethink how they
>> do this next time so that it can.  It's not like KDE is new on the block.
>>
>> Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem
>> with how KDE is handling the releases.  It sounds like KDE has dropped
>> the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early.  I'm not a dev so I could be
>> wrong here.
>>     
>
> I agree with you that KDE4 is not yet up to the standards of stability and
> usability we are used to in KDE3. However, both KDE and Qt upstream
> have de facto dropped support for their respective version 3. This means
> nobody is looking at security issues for those old versions. We cannot be
> expected to do that job for them, and do not want to maintain versions
> no longer supported upstream with possibly unknown security bugs.
>
> As you say, it is indeed an upstream problem, which forces our hand.
> But to extend a hand to those users who want to stick with the old versions
> and are willing to take possible security risks, we have started the kde3
> overlay. And we are happy to help "lowly" users like you to get the skills
> to co-maintain those packages in the overlay.
>
> As it is now, we have no Gentoo developer who is committed to maintain
> both Qt3 and KDE3, and we feel it is irresponsible to leave those
> unmaintained in the tree.
>
> Cheers,
>   

< lowly user again >

Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?  Maybe do a news
item as to why it is being done?  That way people like me that don't use
overlays can still keep KDE 3.5 but it requires us to unmask them. It
would be just like we have to do to use a new program that may have
security issues or bugs but just in reverse. 

I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
it as a temporary fix if needed.  I think I can suffer through Mandriva
for a couple months while this gets sorted out.  I'm planning to install
the same for my brother.  I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
geeky as me. 

< back to my hole again >

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Pacho Ramos]

El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
> 
> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
> it as a temporary fix if needed.  I think I can suffer through Mandriva
> for a couple months while this gets sorted out.  I'm planning to install
> the same for my brother.  I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
> geeky as me. 
> 
> < back to my hole again >
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> 

Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
external repository still providing kde3)

Regards

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
>   
>> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
>> it as a temporary fix if needed.  I think I can suffer through Mandriva
>> for a couple months while this gets sorted out.  I'm planning to install
>> the same for my brother.  I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
>> geeky as me. 
>>
>> < back to my hole again >
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
> supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
> 2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
> situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
> external repository still providing kde3)
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>   

I have the 2009 version which still has KDE 3.5 available.  I think KDE
4 is there to but I don't plan to install it anyway.

It may not be as secure but at least it still works.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Alistair Bush]

> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
> >> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
> >> it as a temporary fix if needed.  I think I can suffer through Mandriva
> >> for a couple months while this gets sorted out.  I'm planning to install
> >> the same for my brother.  I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
> >> geeky as me.
> >>
> >> < back to my hole again >
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >
> > Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
> > supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
> > 2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
> > situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
> > external repository still providing kde3)
> >
> > Regards
> 
> I have the 2009 version which still has KDE 3.5 available.  I think KDE
> 4 is there to but I don't plan to install it anyway.
> 
> It may not be as secure but at least it still works.  ;-)

If you never sync'd you portage tree again then kde3.5 would continue to work 
too. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Alistair Bush wrote:
>> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>     
>>> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 07:55 -0600, Dale escribió:
>>>       
>>>> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
>>>> it as a temporary fix if needed.  I think I can suffer through Mandriva
>>>> for a couple months while this gets sorted out.  I'm planning to install
>>>> the same for my brother.  I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
>>>> geeky as me.
>>>>
>>>> < back to my hole again >
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-)  :-)
>>>>         
>>> Mandriva already dropped KDE3 in 2010 and cooker and it's not being
>>> supported in older versions, since it's in contrib (for 2009.1) and
>>> 2009.0 (and previous) support ended for desktops. Then, it's "the same
>>> situation" (or even worse since, *if I don't misremember*, there is no
>>> external repository still providing kde3)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>       
>> I have the 2009 version which still has KDE 3.5 available.  I think KDE
>> 4 is there to but I don't plan to install it anyway.
>>
>> It may not be as secure but at least it still works.  ;-)
>>     
>
> If you never sync'd you portage tree again then kde3.5 would continue to work 
> too. 
>   
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>     

I thought about that too.  Everything works right now so I could go a
little while without a update.  However, we all know what happens if you
go to long without updating Gentoo.  A couple things pop up that bite
you hard.  With my luck, there would be a dozen or so.  One that comes
to mind is expat.  It's not often but it can be fun when you have
several at a time.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite: gnome-extra/hardware-monitor

[Romain Perier]

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This package has a lot of issues, random segfaults (reproducible or
not), Corba exceptions... devs not really active on upstream, and we're
not interested to being maintainer (if you want a soft for monitoring
your hardware use gnome-system-monitor)

Pending for removal until 4 Dec. 2009.

Regards,
Romain.

-- 
Romain Perier
Gentoo Linux Developer
Site: http://dev.gentoo.org/~mrpouet
Blog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/mrpouet
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[AllenJB]

Dale wrote:
 > < lowly user again >
> 
> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?  Maybe do a news
> item as to why it is being done?  That way people like me that don't use
> overlays can still keep KDE 3.5 but it requires us to unmask them. It
> would be just like we have to do to use a new program that may have
> security issues or bugs but just in reverse. 
> 
> I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install
> it as a temporary fix if needed.  I think I can suffer through Mandriva
> for a couple months while this gets sorted out.  I'm planning to install
> the same for my brother.  I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as
> geeky as me. 
> 
> < back to my hole again >
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

Give the developers a _good_ reason why overlays shouldn't be used in
this case and I'm sure they'll consider it. But I don't think "I refuse
to use a standard tool of my chosen distro (for no good reason)" is
going to change their minds here.

Overlays allow for a clear separation of fully supported and partially /
unsupported packages in a manner that's clear, easy to use and maintain
for both users and developers, with the added bonus of reducing disk
usage and sync time for those who don't wish to use that set of packages.

I fully welcome the way the sunsetting of KDE 3.5 is being done. It's
clear and easy to follow.

AllenJB

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Ben de Groot]

2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?

This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay.
I can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.

> Maybe do a news item as to why it is being done?

There *is* a news item:
/usr/portage/metadata/news/2009-11-02-kde-3/2009-11-02-kde-3.en.txt

Which references
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml

And for Qt3 there is
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_e81a66259e844162ef7f2db2a358d440.xml

Cheers,
-- 
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
______________________________________________________

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>   
>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>     
>
> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay.
> I can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>   

Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with.  Gentoo is
enough fun already. 

>   
>>  Maybe do a news item as to why it is being done?
>>     
>
> There *is* a news item:
> /usr/portage/metadata/news/2009-11-02-kde-3/2009-11-02-kde-3.en.txt
>
> Which references
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml
>
> And for Qt3 there is
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_e81a66259e844162ef7f2db2a358d440.xml
>
> Cheers,
>   

I was talking about *if* KDE 3.5 was masked then have a news item as to
why it was being masked.  Since keeping it in the tree is not going to
happen then there is no point.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Pacho Ramos]

El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
> Ben de Groot wrote:
> > 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> >   
> >> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
> >>     
> >
> > This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay.
> > I can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
> >   
> 
> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with.  Gentoo is
> enough fun already. 
> 
But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree in
unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
overlay? :-/

Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to download
all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't so much but I
still fail to see why do you think that preserving kde3 hardmasked is
better than using an overlay 

Regards

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
>   
>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>     
>>> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay.
>>> I can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with.  Gentoo is
>> enough fun already. 
>>
>>     
> But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree in
> unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
> overlay? :-/
>
> Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to download
> all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't so much but I
> still fail to see why do you think that preserving kde3 hardmasked is
> better than using an overlay 
>
> Regards
>
>   

Because I am not familiar with overlays.  I have never used one and hope
to keep it that way.  If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on.  Naturally that wouldn't
last forever.  It would eventually have to go away but most likely it
only needs to be there for a couple months, maybe three months.  I
really believe KDE will be stable and working well in the near future. 

As for the tree, until recently I was on a very slow dial-up and just
syncing the tree took about 45 minutes on average.  I never complained
about Gnome being there.  I don't use Gnome but I know other people do. 
I did try it once tho.  Just prefer KDE.  Sorry.  I won't complain about
Gnome if you don't complain about KDE.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Paul Arthur]

On 2009-11-04, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
>> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
>>
>>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>>>
>>>> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay. I
>>>> can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>>>
>>> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with. Gentoo
>>> is enough fun already.
>>
>> But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree
>> in unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
>> overlay? :-/
>>
>> Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to
>> download all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't
>> so much but I still fail to see why do you think that preserving
>> kde3 hardmasked is better than using an overlay
>
> Because I am not familiar with overlays. I have never used one and
> hope to keep it that way. If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
> kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on.

"I am not familiar with autounmask. I have never used it and hope to
keep it that way.  If it was in an overlay, just run layman -a kde3 or
something similar and carry on."

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Paul Arthur wrote:
> On 2009-11-04, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 15:48 -0600, Dale escribió:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Ben de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> 2009/11/4 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3?
>>>>>>             
>>>>> This has already been decided. We are moving it to an overlay. I
>>>>> can't think of a valid reason why you would not use that overlay.
>>>>>           
>>>> Because I don't want one more thing to have to deal with. Gentoo
>>>> is enough fun already.
>>>>         
>>> But, why do you think having kde3 stuff hardmasked in main tree
>>> in unmaintained state will be better than having it on a external
>>> overlay? :-/
>>>
>>> Also, think about gnome users (like me) that will not need to
>>> download all kde3 ebuilds on every sync :-) Yes, maybe they aren't
>>> so much but I still fail to see why do you think that preserving
>>> kde3 hardmasked is better than using an overlay
>>>       
>> Because I am not familiar with overlays. I have never used one and
>> hope to keep it that way. If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
>> kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on.
>>     
>
> "I am not familiar with autounmask. I have never used it and hope to
> keep it that way.  If it was in an overlay, just run layman -a kde3 or
> something similar and carry on."
>
>   

Well actually, I already have KDE 3.5 in package.keyword and
package.unmask so I wouldn't have to do anything at all.  I would gladly
share my files with you so you wouldn't have to run autounmask since you
are not familiar with it and don't want to use it.  All for helping my
fellow Gentoo users and making life easier for them too.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Pacho Ramos]

El mié, 04-11-2009 a las 16:51 -0600, Dale escribió:
> Because I am not familiar with overlays.  I have never used one and hope
> to keep it that way.  If it was hardmasked, just run autounmask
> kde-meta:3.5 or something similar and carry on. 

I simply run:
# emerge layman
# layman -a "desired overlay"
# emerge "desired kde3 package"

in summary, please take a look on layman ;-)

> As for the tree, until recently I was on a very slow dial-up and just
> syncing the tree took about 45 minutes on average.  I never complained
> about Gnome being there.  I don't use Gnome but I know other people do. 
> I did try it once tho.  Just prefer KDE.  Sorry.  I won't complain about
> Gnome if you don't complain about KDE.  lol

That rationale is not ok since gnome is properly alive and maintained,
while kde3 is unsupported by upstream :-)

> 
> Dale

Best regards