From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N5gKS-0004Y0-Sg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:55:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D240AE0B5B; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com (mail-gx0-f224.google.com [209.85.217.224]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07DDE0B5B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so4907480gxk.6 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:55:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7Ccf1azhZS3dv+WasC+XJ2FznV3bZFKECnjN3FZRq4U=; b=HMWkaJgEvNscKtr66YOcfx5LWpDn1cbeMPq1KR/UE6BA6AnSMKnmmML0uXZbOlFPZe AtJTMLIB11fL3H8G6fJDe18I9fo0h071G/lsP3M88dxqe/K5qbqcJUe8eXSKGk7maRFF Tn32KU7KpKeQ7fukiEOBviZ+uNxt+h20qlY4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Fbc9C1ijXauqNPrrIq/Q0pey5y3K1MQafmOzdSgyadO1E9T3rstQaNqd4pNfleK8MY 2Y6vB+SG2TCA2tC0pwEpZaajNXtBkWXxMWe1P4NDqjNIKnHZfFtjusEcmLVq12eREzwC FEUxEDynhxl0MNphGkNM0JBgjPKQoeQnY0wz8= Received: by 10.150.44.24 with SMTP id r24mr2720310ybr.249.1257342913461; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.1? (adsl-0-115-242.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.115.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm120479gxk.12.2009.11.04.05.55.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:55:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF187BE.9030601@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:55:10 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20091007 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed References: <4AD8D301.7020903@gentoo.org> <1255775174.2212.1393.camel@tablet> <4AD99DE5.7060701@gentoo.org> <4AF1778D.2060905@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 93f50cb5-dbe0-407f-8f3b-7cafe17e695d X-Archives-Hash: 062233a5e6cd9b9545e179d5efe62c1a Ben de Groot wrote: > 2009/11/4 Dale : > >> We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last >> few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues". KDE 4 is just >> not ready quite yet. I firmly believe it will be in the next few months >> and with each upgrade it gets better. As I wrote on the KDE list a >> short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us >> when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained. I'm >> not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from >> upstream. Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updating. >> >> What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in >> the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released. I >> have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point. >> Surely this can be done somehow. If not, KDE needs to rethink how they >> do this next time so that it can. It's not like KDE is new on the block. >> >> Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem >> with how KDE is handling the releases. It sounds like KDE has dropped >> the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early. I'm not a dev so I could be >> wrong here. >> > > I agree with you that KDE4 is not yet up to the standards of stability and > usability we are used to in KDE3. However, both KDE and Qt upstream > have de facto dropped support for their respective version 3. This means > nobody is looking at security issues for those old versions. We cannot be > expected to do that job for them, and do not want to maintain versions > no longer supported upstream with possibly unknown security bugs. > > As you say, it is indeed an upstream problem, which forces our hand. > But to extend a hand to those users who want to stick with the old versions > and are willing to take possible security risks, we have started the kde3 > overlay. And we are happy to help "lowly" users like you to get the skills > to co-maintain those packages in the overlay. > > As it is now, we have no Gentoo developer who is committed to maintain > both Qt3 and KDE3, and we feel it is irresponsible to leave those > unmaintained in the tree. > > Cheers, > < lowly user again > Is it possible to just mask and maybe keyword KDE 3? Maybe do a news item as to why it is being done? That way people like me that don't use overlays can still keep KDE 3.5 but it requires us to unmask them. It would be just like we have to do to use a new program that may have security issues or bugs but just in reverse. I mention because I have already downloaded Mandriva and plan to install it as a temporary fix if needed. I think I can suffer through Mandriva for a couple months while this gets sorted out. I'm planning to install the same for my brother. I would like to install Gentoo but he's not as geeky as me. < back to my hole again > Dale :-) :-)