From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N5fFa-0003To-Ty for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:46:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A9D9E0BBC; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D11FE0BBC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so6227539ywh.32 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:46:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qZrVROvFdELF7Tzxu75cGYExyNjWWV5rJ7l49akWmEM=; b=KTJu7LKYAZ6wz99WUQ2eu52WpIxPdDiy5ygpA8QbBaPe4GriBb9kl7asZzBZbT7/f+ 6UdQt0EYABLaIQQy613CMmx7yTK4rJTWYz+/f2+MkPs1XnWvetXTTbUjqPyKSRHoPH5P 9IS0O6vwKpOwxGt2IEpkV5gi6cQ3/fkLACm8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=j7SqJyq2ShxZ9nr9BdGGZX+55FU8Z1Xv7C6OW9atxF9EEeBsqJjeEXhS57JvaUwgGh vLKecQ9y0Tjw7F9//r85ZclOdoWqp6He5ESiZXgtGoRnGdyrE2k3TnWCIzNkvaobZhYD Jbg5h0iAHZFdj4y1gUkqkbSqA1V7quZyzwVLw= Received: by 10.150.214.2 with SMTP id m2mr2598474ybg.235.1257338768947; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.1? (adsl-0-115-242.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.115.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm390068ywd.22.2009.11.04.04.46.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:46:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF1778D.2060905@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:46:05 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20091007 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed References: <4AD8D301.7020903@gentoo.org> <1255775174.2212.1393.camel@tablet> <4AD99DE5.7060701@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8e7ccd91-de2d-494a-a0fe-4ec931c031c0 X-Archives-Hash: 358992b5bfa226282681400b35adac49 Ben de Groot wrote: > 2009/11/3 J=C3=B6rg Schaible > =20 >>>>> # Samuli Suominen (16 Oct 2009) >>>>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427. >>>>> # Masked for removal in 30 days. >>>>> net-news/eventwatcher >>>>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch >>>>> =20 >>>> ... >>>> =20 >>>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D279823 >>>>> =20 >>>> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde= 3 >>>> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop thi= s >>>> applications? >>>> >>>> =20 >>> No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4 >>> installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Onl= y >>> the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay. >>> =20 >> Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchan= ge >> integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unles= s >> this time, I have to stick with KDE3. >> >> However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some = that I >> use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE= 3 >> setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply = a >> farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. tho= se >> apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some bui= ld >> dependency with > installed. >> =20 > > You should join the kde-sunset (aka kde3) overlay team and maintain tho= se > packages, with the proper kde4 blocks, in that overlay. It expressly ex= ists for > people who need legacy applications. > > -- > Ben de Groot > Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) > ______________________________________________________ > > =20 < lowly user here> We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues". KDE 4 is just not ready quite yet. I firmly believe it will be in the next few months and with each upgrade it gets better. As I wrote on the KDE list a short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained. I'm not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from upstream. Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updating. What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released. I have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point.=20 Surely this can be done somehow. If not, KDE needs to rethink how they do this next time so that it can. It's not like KDE is new on the block. Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem with how KDE is handling the releases. It sounds like KDE has dropped the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early. I'm not a dev so I could be wrong here. < end lowly user > Dale P. S. Going back to my hole now.=20