Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

[Branko Badrljica <brankob@avtomatika.com>]

Thomas Sachau wrote:


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> I disagree in this place. ~arch is called testing because it actually is about TESTING new versions
> and packages. You should expect problems and you should be able to recover from them and you should
> be able to use bugzilla. Else i suggest you move to a stable arch instead.
>
> Your arguments could make sense, if it would be about the stable tree, but forcing the testing tree
> to be a second stable tree, just with newer package versions isnt our goal nor does it help anyone.
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1. Much of the time on Gentoo using of ~ packages is not user explicit 
choice but forced compromise.
I don't remember exactly anymore what prompted me to enter openrc in 
package.keywords, but I surely remember having a few headaches with it.
Same is with many other packages- many times using ~arch is the only 
answer, so 99% of the time it is used for getting some package to work 
and not for pure testing.
Having in mind state of the matter in_real_world, I really don't think 
that having such things at least temporarily masked ( not to mention 
DOCUMENTED!) is really not overdoing it.

2. About using bugzilla- how the heck was I supposed to use it without 
net access ?

3. My main if not only argument was about at last documenting such changes.

As it was done, it presented me with nasty surprise. Machine has gotten 
through upgrade world just fine and only after reboot it couldn't start 
network interfaces. Manual restart croaked with some error about python 
not being able to find some function.

It felt exactly like a few last times when my ext4 decided to lose a few 
hundred essential system files. There was nothing to suggest openrc. 
After I lost some time reemerging system files and sifting through 
ebuilds, packages and scripts, that casual message here about new openrc 
hit me purely by chance, otherwise I would be in for much more pain.
After I got system running again, I couldn't find anywhere anything at 
all about any substantial change in openrc.
Not on bugzilla, not on openrc home page nor anywhere else.


4. About filing bugzilla bug, I can't do it now, since I am in a hurry 
and without it I can't contribute any really useful data.
Will do when I get around to it...