Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

[Branko Badrljica <brankob@avtomatika.com>]

William Hubbs wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:23:32PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote:
>   
>> On Saturday 10 October 2009 23:30:05 Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
>>     
>>> On Samstag, 10. Oktober 2009, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Alin N??stac <mrness@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> On 10/9/09 7:57 PM, Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> * does new scripts already can do all that was possible with net.* ?
>>>>>>             
>>>>> No. PPP is not compatible with the new scripts.
>>>>>           
>>>> Major regression. It never pays to drop surprises on people like this.
>>>> I *strongly* suggest masking openrc-0.5.1 until the documentation is
>>>> updated and a news file is sent.
>>>>         
>>> Why do you suggest masking it immediately?
>>> Emerging it without changing any use-flags, has oldnet enabled by default,
>>>  so user gets exactly the same net init-scripts as with openrc-0.4 before,
>>>  so where is the regression that needs to be masked?
>>> One can still use the same stuff and nobody is forced to transition to the
>>>  new network script.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>       
>> I agree with Nirbheek. You should always provide an updated documentation ( 
>> and a news item if necessary ) when you release a new major update of such 
>> core packages. I would like to see new openrc masked until the documentation 
>> is ready with full details about the transition to the new network init 
>> script.
>> If you don't provide such documentation in time, you will fail to make users 
>> switch to new init script in the near future, since everybody will forget 
>> about this and will use the 'oldnet' use flag anyway.
>> The sooner you will explain them how to migrate, the better 
>> results/feedback/updated systems you will get
>>     
>  
> I do not agree that masking the new openrc is appropriate, since it
> works fine with the oldnet use flag and that is the default (I upgraded
> flawlessly and left the use flags alone).
>
> Maybe there should be a warning for now if you turn off the oldnet use
> flag that warns you that the new network scripts may not work in all
> situations.
>
> Then, when it comes time to migrate, you can drop the oldnet use flag
> entirely and explain in a news item how to migrate.
>
>   
Main question is NOT whether it works for you, but whether it will break 
stuff on significant percent of other users.
It broke on my machine, for example, and it was quite disconcerting, 
since it was at quite inconvenient moment and I had note get to any 
shred of documentation about ANY kind of substantial behaviour change of 
new openrc...