* [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
@ 2009-09-04 20:17 Rémi Cardona
[not found] ` <17c6771e0909041341h352ea31ejc09195affddebe08@mail.gmail.com>
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From: Rémi Cardona @ 2009-09-04 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo dev, gentoo-dev-announce
# Rémi Cardona <remi@gentoo.org> (04 Sep 2009)
# Masked for removal in 60 days, old and unmaintained in Gentoo
# Uses removed VIDEO_CARDS flag (see bug #282981)
www-plugins/gnash
Cheers,
Rémi
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
[not found] ` <17c6771e0909041341h352ea31ejc09195affddebe08@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2009-09-04 20:56 ` Rémi Cardona
2009-09-04 21:59 ` Romain Perier
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From: Rémi Cardona @ 2009-09-04 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo dev
Le 04/09/2009 22:41, Andrew John Hughes a écrit :
> So there'll be no Free Flash support in Gentoo any more?
> I hope someone will pick this up, this is a high priority FSF project after all.
There's media-libs/swfdec that's still offically maintained by the Gnome
herd.
As far as gnash is concerned, it can still be saved by a willing
maintainer. Nothing more, nothing less.
Cheers,
Rémi
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2009-09-04 20:56 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] " Rémi Cardona
@ 2009-09-04 21:59 ` Romain Perier
2009-09-04 22:24 ` Robert Bradbury
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From: Romain Perier @ 2009-09-04 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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Le vendredi 04 septembre 2009 à 22:56 +0200, Rémi Cardona a écrit :
> Le 04/09/2009 22:41, Andrew John Hughes a écrit :
> > So there'll be no Free Flash support in Gentoo any more?
> > I hope someone will pick this up, this is a high priority FSF project after all.
>
> There's media-libs/swfdec that's still offically maintained by the Gnome
> herd.
>
> As far as gnash is concerned, it can still be saved by a willing
> maintainer. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rémi
Okay, if nobody want to maintain gnash, I'll maintain it...
how is it possible to remove gnash ... jesus :D
Regards,
Romain.
--
Romain Perier
Gentoo Linux Developer
Site: http://dev.gentoo.org/~mrpouet
Blog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/mrpouet
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2009-09-04 21:59 ` Romain Perier
@ 2009-09-04 22:24 ` Robert Bradbury
2009-09-04 23:19 ` Nikos Chantziaras
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From: Robert Bradbury @ 2009-09-04 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
I've used the gnash plugin because earlier Flash releases were so
"problematic" (crashing Flash would generally crash Firefox). But
generally migrated away from Flash as it seemed to become more and
more of an advertising distribution medium that one had no user
control over (this is a subjective impression). Gnash also seemed to
be unable to play more recent versions of Flash files.
Is gnash still under development (as an open source alternative to
Adobe flash)? If so, then it would seem to make sense to keep the
plugin alive. Where does this all go with the evolution towards more
open media formats (HTML 3.x?). It is my impression currently that a
consensus could not be agreed upon for a "standard" open
non-proprietary format for audio/video files.
Robert
On 9/4/09, Romain Perier <mrpouet@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Le vendredi 04 septembre 2009 à 22:56 +0200, Rémi Cardona a écrit :
>> Le 04/09/2009 22:41, Andrew John Hughes a écrit :
>> > So there'll be no Free Flash support in Gentoo any more?
>> > I hope someone will pick this up, this is a high priority FSF project
>> > after all.
>>
>> There's media-libs/swfdec that's still offically maintained by the Gnome
>> herd.
>>
>> As far as gnash is concerned, it can still be saved by a willing
>> maintainer. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rémi
>
> Okay, if nobody want to maintain gnash, I'll maintain it...
> how is it possible to remove gnash ... jesus :D
>
> Regards,
> Romain.
> --
> Romain Perier
> Gentoo Linux Developer
> Site: http://dev.gentoo.org/~mrpouet
> Blog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/mrpouet
> FP: 5728 DC13 9600 864E 2C37 7D1F 3791 7B66 3B94 72EF
>
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2009-09-04 22:24 ` Robert Bradbury
@ 2009-09-04 23:19 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-05 9:25 ` Duncan
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From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2009-09-04 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 09/05/2009 01:24 AM, Robert Bradbury wrote:
> I've used the gnash plugin because earlier Flash releases were so
> "problematic" (crashing Flash would generally crash Firefox). But
> generally migrated away from Flash as it seemed to become more and
> more of an advertising distribution medium that one had no user
> control over (this is a subjective impression). Gnash also seemed to
> be unable to play more recent versions of Flash files.
>
> Is gnash still under development (as an open source alternative to
> Adobe flash)? If so, then it would seem to make sense to keep the
> plugin alive. Where does this all go with the evolution towards more
> open media formats (HTML 3.x?). It is my impression currently that a
> consensus could not be agreed upon for a "standard" open
> non-proprietary format for audio/video files.
Flash *is* an open format; Adobe opened up its specs a while ago. It's
just that the only full implementation of it isn't open (Adobe Flash).
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2009-09-04 23:19 ` Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2009-09-05 9:25 ` Duncan
2009-09-05 10:15 ` Rémi Cardona
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From: Duncan @ 2009-09-05 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:19:12 +0300 as excerpted:
> On 09/05/2009 01:24 AM, Robert Bradbury wrote:
>>
>> Is gnash still under development (as an open source alternative to
>> Adobe flash)?
TTBOMK [1], gnash is now a GNU sponsored project, one I believe they are
actually paying someone to spend some time on, now, after a free flash
alternative came up near the top of the priority list on a user poll they
did about three years ago. <a quick ggl:gnash later> Yes, gnash is a GNU
project, at least, tho I'm not sure on the paid developer status. The
latest release was 0.8.5_beta4, on March 3, this year:
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
>> If so, then it would seem to make sense to keep the
>> plugin alive. Where does this all go with the evolution towards more
>> open media formats (HTML 3.x?). It is my impression currently that a
>> consensus could not be agreed upon for a "standard" open
>> non-proprietary format for audio/video files.
HTML 5.0, and you're impression is reasonably correct. Based on what
I've read, they settled on <audio> and <video> tags, but could not come
to agreement on specific codecs, because the FLOSS folks couldn't accept
a proprietary (patented) codec, and some of the others couldn't/wouldn't
accept the current state of open codecs, at least for video (audio I
believe they agreed on ogg-vorbis, but check before you rely on that). I
believe Nokia was on the proprietary side as they already had a license
for <whatever>, and theora wasn't in a state that would work well on
their cellphones and the like.
But that's changing, and a further HTML 5.1 version may well have a free
video codec as well. Combine that with some of the stuff that's already
possible in draft-5.0, and Flash may have a tough fight on its hands. Of
course, there's Microsoft Silverlight to worry about too...
> Flash *is* an open format; Adobe opened up its specs a while ago. It's
> just that the only full implementation of it isn't open (Adobe Flash).
AFAIK, the issue isn't the "openness" of the format, you're absolutely
correct on that, but the fact that some of the most effective and popular
flash related codecs have serious software patent issues, at least in
areas of the world where such things unfortunately exist.
The other factor is that while it's open, Adobe controls the spec I
believe, and thus can continue to develop their closed version and not
release the updated spec until they release their updated player at the
same time (if they choose to update the spec at all, they can just let it
fall behind if the chose, too), so open implementations will by
definition remain 1-2 versions behind, because by the time they get to a
particular spot, Adobe will have likely released a new version and a new
spec to go with it.
.....
[1] TTBOMK: To the best of my knowledge. emerge wtf and query it on the
command line as wtf ttbomk, if you need a cheat sheet for this sort of
thing, or look it up on onelook.com, FWIW, I have onelook setup as the
ol: kde web shortcut here, plus wtf. =:^)
--
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2009-09-05 9:25 ` Duncan
@ 2009-09-05 10:15 ` Rémi Cardona
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Rémi Cardona @ 2009-09-05 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Le 05/09/2009 11:25, Duncan a écrit :
[...]
This is off-topic for gentoo-dev. Please continue this discussion in
private.
Thanks
Rémi
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* [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
@ 2018-08-29 1:20 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-08-29 9:01 ` Andrew Savchenko
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From: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn @ 2018-08-29 1:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev, gentoo-dev-announce
# Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn <chithanh@gentoo.org> (29 Aug 2015)
# Masked for removal in 30 days. Multiple build failures. Upstream inactive.
# (bugs #321017, #581284, #588692, #602786, #649006, #654140)
www-plugins/gnash
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2018-08-29 1:20 [gentoo-dev] " Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
@ 2018-08-29 9:01 ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-08-30 18:23 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-08-30 18:30 ` Michał Górny
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From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2018-08-29 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:20:31 +0200 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
wrote:
> # Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn <chithanh@gentoo.org> (29 Aug 2015)
> # Masked for removal in 30 days. Multiple build failures. Upstream inactive.
> # (bugs #321017, #581284, #588692, #602786, #649006, #654140)
> www-plugins/gnash
Is there any replacement available? AFAIK no, at least among free
software. And there still many sites which require flash to work.
So maybe mask it, but not remove?
Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2018-08-29 9:01 ` Andrew Savchenko
@ 2018-08-30 18:23 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-08-30 18:30 ` Michał Górny
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From: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn @ 2018-08-30 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Andrew Savchenko schrieb:
>> # Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn <chithanh@gentoo.org> (29 Aug 2015)
>> # Masked for removal in 30 days. Multiple build failures. Upstream inactive.
>> # (bugs #321017, #581284, #588692, #602786, #649006, #654140)
>> www-plugins/gnash
>
> Is there any replacement available? AFAIK no, at least among free
> software. And there still many sites which require flash to work.
The following other free flash implementations exist:
* LightSpark: active development, ASv2 only
* swfdec: development stopped in 2009
* Shumway: abandoned by Mozilla in 2016, very low development activity still
happens in github[0]
I think your best bet to replace gnash would be Shumway. Though it is not
possible to use on current Firefox[1].
> So maybe mask it, but not remove?
Current gnash snapshot in the tree can only build against a specific set of
dependencies, which may disappear any time now (newer versions are stable).
I tried to build upstream git head, but it fails. This was reported a year
ago, no reaction from upstream:
https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?51484
If it is impossible to build, then I think having it in the tree has no value.
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
[0] https://github.com/ExE-Boss/mozilla-shumway
[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443253
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2018-08-29 9:01 ` Andrew Savchenko
2018-08-30 18:23 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
@ 2018-08-30 18:30 ` Michał Górny
2018-08-30 18:36 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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From: Michał Górny @ 2018-08-30 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Wed, 2018-08-29 at 12:01 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:20:31 +0200 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> wrote:
> > # Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn <chithanh@gentoo.org> (29 Aug 2015)
> > # Masked for removal in 30 days. Multiple build failures. Upstream inactive.
> > # (bugs #321017, #581284, #588692, #602786, #649006, #654140)
> > www-plugins/gnash
>
>
> Is there any replacement available? AFAIK no, at least among free
> software. And there still many sites which require flash to work.
>
> So maybe mask it, but not remove?
>
Maybe it's time you realize that if you want something to stay, then you
need to actually *take it* and *fix it*. Keeping clearly broken stuff
so that every user could try jumping through a few hoops to build it has
no value.
--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2018-08-30 18:30 ` Michał Górny
@ 2018-08-30 18:36 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-08-30 18:37 ` Michał Górny
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From: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn @ 2018-08-30 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Michał Górny schrieb:
>> So maybe mask it, but not remove?
>>
>
> Maybe it's time you realize that if you want something to stay, then you
> need to actually *take it* and *fix it*. Keeping clearly broken stuff
> so that every user could try jumping through a few hoops to build it has
> no value.
I think it is a valid concern that removal of packages may sometimes be
overzealous, and to better keep packages in the tree as long as they are
useful and workarounds exist for build/runtime problems. Just in case of
gnash there is really no benefit in keeping it.
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2018-08-30 18:36 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
@ 2018-08-30 18:37 ` Michał Górny
2018-08-30 18:50 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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From: Michał Górny @ 2018-08-30 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thu, 2018-08-30 at 20:36 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Michał Górny schrieb:
> > > So maybe mask it, but not remove?
> > >
> >
> > Maybe it's time you realize that if you want something to stay, then you
> > need to actually *take it* and *fix it*. Keeping clearly broken stuff
> > so that every user could try jumping through a few hoops to build it has
> > no value.
>
> I think it is a valid concern that removal of packages may sometimes be
> overzealous, and to better keep packages in the tree as long as they are
> useful and workarounds exist for build/runtime problems. Just in case of
> gnash there is really no benefit in keeping it.
>
It may make sense if there is some developer caring enough to actually
put those workarounds in the ebuild, rather than expecting every single
user trying to build it find them himself (and hope he's got all
of them, and the right set).
--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: www-plugins/gnash
2018-08-30 18:37 ` Michał Górny
@ 2018-08-30 18:50 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn @ 2018-08-30 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Michał Górny schrieb:
>> I think it is a valid concern that removal of packages may sometimes be
>> overzealous, and to better keep packages in the tree as long as they are
>> useful and workarounds exist for build/runtime problems. Just in case of
>> gnash there is really no benefit in keeping it.
>>
>
> It may make sense if there is some developer caring enough to actually
> put those workarounds in the ebuild, rather than expecting every single
> user trying to build it find them himself (and hope he's got all
> of them, and the right set).
If you mean, putting these workarounds as elog message, maybe.
But putting them as code is not always possible, as it may require changes in
other packages or similar.
And sometimes, there were building and working packages masked for removal
just because they lacked a maintainer.
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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