From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Me4f3-0007GU-53 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:14:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A9EFE03FB; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.trelane.net (mail.trelane.net [66.93.203.104]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCFFE03FB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.trelane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871AA186616 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at trelane.net Received: from mail.trelane.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (master.trelane.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHzChzD-J5WA for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.trelane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA39C186627 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.1.99] (router.trelane.net [66.93.203.152]) by mail.trelane.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 92F0D186616 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A8D21E7.2040604@trelane.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:13:59 -0400 From: Andrew D Kirch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090708) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant' References: <90b936c0908121058y5fd25cfcm67a19761b1130896@mail.gmail.com> <200908122041.34205.scarabeus@gentoo.org> <20090812194656.47300704@snowcone> <20090813135658.2d497f7b@snowcone> <44655500.sygxnxrhqW@news.friendly-coders.info> <20090813193451.31961a95@snowcone> <3865504.XFPclIEk6a@news.friendly-coders.info> <4A8A447F.5050708@gentoo.org> <12148931.hacUC6rHWN@news.friendly-coders.info> In-Reply-To: <12148931.hacUC6rHWN@news.friendly-coders.info> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 1d8f2582-cbf7-414b-9911-1302e34f4cd0 X-Archives-Hash: abcb44294a344e09d630ce3b1e84cf1a Steven J Long wrote: > R=C3=A9mi Cardona wrote: > > =20 >> Le 18/08/2009 03:30, Steven J Long a =C3=A9crit : >> [snip] >> >> Steven, >> >> This thread was dead for more than 4 days. Yet you pick it up and you >> try to pick a fight with Ciaran. >> >> =20 > No I was answering the points he made, specifically he gave the fact th= at > something's not used in the tree as a reason not to put it in PMS. The > prior mail about an alternative perspective on the process was about hi= s > continual digs at portage and its developers. You're right that much of= it > was more relevant to -project, but when I post there it gets ignored: > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_6c82019575749b628de20de06= 0149782.xml > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_28e2659029951f7edeab10b01= cd21d53.xml > =20 I think it's clear at this point that Ciaran was the wrong person to have in charge of the PMS or EAPI spec's despite his willingness to do the work.. I tried to talk to him about having Paludis support an extension of PMS which Portage already supported. His response was to DEMAND that portage change his behavior and throw warnings about this because it wasn't in the PMS (which I will note is an accurately acronym'd document). ttp://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D273261 The users simply don't care about this stuff, and throwing warnings at every user in the manner advocated is abuse. This sort of behavior simply needs to stop. Using bugs.gentoo.org to attack Funtoo, which utilizes Portage, in the manner which has been done usurps the Gentoo Council's authority, the Portage devs, Funtoo, and most importantly our ability to innovate. And hell, if we're not going to innovate, lets all please pack up and go home. Andrew D Kirch Funtoo Andrew D Kirch Funtoo.org