From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ML1ca-0005Rc-Pv for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:09:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E049E0835; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B175E0835 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so4340168ewy.34 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:09:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VW1kzpRXcN0DAosab9/9fg198IqAMiU/SVFrEdqd9aA=; b=xmwuQqCbRZGDXXqZ/LVDJG/7NaSwhW4nFyrK3cA4XAsNbfEkHYe51DlmULcwmpWerc 7lYgbY5kVC9d4LklpXgr3gQ3LNOLyCd4ZXLCZzZ89lJDQAS8cPhLI+dQoEXGsl4BSNxB sam4lJc4E+M3NokyTGSdQAoj4wNeIf6zpbhuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mq0YjYae8zHMjUFGNvlzduxVdKT0mLiVByH2v49DifRUBIlj3MD7I8ibQuGYHLdZbO qAgc9+9a2s42X1D6zZlSoUhFnxZDviyfsamcbYOoIuiqRmCk6PgnGIflaAnjzjSMpAfn L+QX2KQ7R2sPnUs0y76hQG6E5JSIttBlW5gn0= Received: by 10.210.105.3 with SMTP id d3mr2502339ebc.28.1246223346755; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.65? (user-514f8db6.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.79.141.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4418769eyg.37.2009.06.28.14.09.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A47DBFD.3090202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:09:17 +0100 From: George Prowse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections References: <200906252100.52295.wk@mailstation.de> <4A47B70F.4080803@gmail.com> <20090628194654.41722fd0@snowcone> <4A47C893.9080803@gmail.com> <20090628205836.43934ff8@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20090628205836.43934ff8@snowcone> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 16f9be6c-8fc9-44a0-abd6-899c63da9475 X-Archives-Hash: b2210984b67fa93430dbf69c2c634956 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:46:27 +0100 > George Prowse wrote: >> I'm sure getting personal about subjects on a Gentoo mailing list >> will endear yourself to everyone. > > Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Nope, I never mentioned anything personal about you, in fact I can't remember mentioning your name at all. > >> Thinking logically for a second, if you really cared about Gentoo you >> would have tried your best to be good and nice in the... I dunno, 4 >> years(?) since your ejection and then worked your way up to being a >> developer again. > > Why? I'm interested in getting things done, not in jumping through > arbitrary hoops and starting yet another silly Gentoo politics flamewar. You choose to be in these flamewars. As I stated, if you really cared then at some time since your exclusion you would have worked on Gentoo and kept your nose clean, people would have had no choice but to accept you had noting but Gentoo's best interest at heart. > >> Trying to get into Gentoo by proxy (heh, see what I did there?) is >> the wrong way and spending the last 4 years doing the wrong thing >> means that you have done nothing to warrant you being included in not >> only Gentoo but it's heirachy (and this is without mentioning your >> trolling on the lists and your banning from the forums). > > I'm not trying to get into Gentoo by proxy at all. I shall remind you > that this was Tiziano's request and decision, not mine, and that I was > merely helping Gentoo out by carrying out a request from a Council > member. You're not stupid, you knew exactly what would happen and you let all the flames come instead of being humble and suggesting that it wasn't the best idea. > >> If you succeed are you going to invite Patrick and Plasmaroo to join >> the exherbo "council"? > > That's not my decision. I don't have anything to do with the running of > Exherbo. However, if Patrick or Plasmaroo have useful contributions for > Exherbo, I would be happy to ensure that those contributions get > applied. Don't take that too literally, it was only meant as an example. > > Again, this is not about me or Exherbo. It's about the Council's > unsubstantiated claim that the rules prohibit a Council member from > selecting a non-developer as a proxy. > If you select a non-developer as a proxy then it degrades what it means to be a developer. Would you be happy if you local MP got his granny to vote in parliament when he was on holiday?