From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MKDYc-000151-Gt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:41:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62501E02DE; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E9AE02DE for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([72.81.9.64]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KLU00GGORL1NVT2@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7816175A11B for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4A44EC24.6000907@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:41:24 -0400 From: Richard Freeman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections References: <200906252100.52295.wk@mailstation.de> <4A44C339.4050303@gentoo.org> In-reply-to: <4A44C339.4050303@gentoo.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ec22093c-99b3-43e2-9dc6-852b375c0289 X-Archives-Hash: f6f9e1b75f6e52edf5546868b65333c6 Ben de Groot wrote: > > In my opinion it is in the best interest of Gentoo at this point to > ignore Exherbo and to silence those people involved with Exherbo that > have been so divisive and generated so much conflict in Gentoo channels. > Nobody needs to be silenced (unless they're litereally spamming the list - as close as cirianm comes to this his posts are at least relevant to the topic and even if I sometimes disagree with them and he could exercise restraint I don't think he should be banned). I suspect most devs just avoid the drama. I do echo the sentiment that the Gentoo council should be focused on Gentoo. Sure, nothing wrong with cooperating with other projects and learning from them. Certainly I don't want a not-invented-here attitude, and I think paludis has a lot to offer. However, those who have questioned the wisdom of cirianm as a proxy do have a point. Technical knowledge alone is not the critiera of a council member. One needs to be able to build consensus - not that we need to be strangled by consensus, but we can't afford to rule by edict either. I'm happy that everybody seems to be getting along better, but council leadership requires maturity, and maturity is reflected by how people behave over the long haul. Cirianm's best bet to get accepted by the gentoo devs is to just start working with them - if he works positively with enough different people (especially those with different opinions) he'll have no trouble gaining their support. However, that is something that can take months or years - not weeks to a few months. I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that is just me. I'm not so sure I'd be eager to have him be a proxy if I were on the council. Sure, I'd be happy to yield my floor time to him if I thought he had something worth listening to, but a proxy is more than just a platform to talk - any mailing list subscriber already has that.