From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8fjh-0005qY-I8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:21:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 183A2E0523; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED82CE0523 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.116] (ip72-220-190-13.sd.sd.cox.net [72.220.190.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CFC67F08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4A1AEFAF.2000608@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:21:19 -0700 From: Josh Saddler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090330) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig76CF5CB29682659B37467776" X-Archives-Salt: 0fd6991b-182d-43a8-a599-3a5370b8dbae X-Archives-Hash: 32fc23a29e379972adbe763941807be7 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig76CF5CB29682659B37467776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lxnay@sabayonlinux.org wrote: > Adding "@overlay" atoms/deps postfix support could really make life > easier, especially because forcing specific atoms in *DEPEND hoping > that these will be always pulled in from the same overlay is not > something reliable, as you already know. No. This is a terrible idea. The solution is to *fix the overlays*, not force the user to intervene and fix things himself. Conflicting overlay issues turn up on the Gentoo forums (check Unsupported Software), and in pretty much all cases, once the maintainer(s) of the overlay(s) are contacted about the issue, the overlays are quickly fixed so that the next update sorts out the user's tree. Users should *not *have to take steps to fix overlay blocks and breaks ahead of time; that should be the overlay maintainer's job, not the poor end user. > Comments are welcome, flames are not. On that note, I'd like to offer a friendly word of caution, in the interests of us all talking together and working through the ideas presented in your threads. In your last visit to our mailing list (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/55180), you stated that you'd like to make some sweeping changes to Gentoo, then you started telling the developers why they all sucked ahead of time for not implementing said ideas. And then you kept telling developers that they sucked throughout the rest of the replies. You expressed unwillingness to work with Gentoo developers through our admittedly long recruitment process, instead wanting to push your changes to our tree directly. There wasn't very much accomplished on either side at the end of that debacle, except some hurt feelings. It seems that the discussions you're having in the binary packages and overlay threads are already heading the same direction, and I for one don't want that to happen. Telling people they're not allowed to express disagreement is counterproductive.[1][2] [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/61555/focus=3D61568 [2] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/61530/focus=3D61560 So, folks, just take it easy. We don't have to accept every suggestion offered to the list, nor do we have to reject it out of hand. Thanks. --------------enig76CF5CB29682659B37467776 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoa77IACgkQxPWMzpKk6kOR5gCfX7Tge8kMszDQ3k0n9xOSpeWJ 8SwAoKRUTVZx+UUrxeyVH5UhwY2mKJ4D =PG80 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig76CF5CB29682659B37467776--