From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M6jvS-0004ka-Af for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:25:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83544E046F; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f115.google.com (mail-qy0-f115.google.com [209.85.221.115]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C10E046F for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so572541qyk.32 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:25:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iswR5es6qBH/TFx5x4GwNBZoEO6NY1DVxnTbbrydnG8=; b=phETF3P4sfEjEItO7VcA5BbfIkoAdNbymZVF/bHEzAmv/VZNJm7rVChGSl7K+Aw72i pdS5n6nWU4BbRcXDnNXy4LLXI/hHkqT6lH80o8rcu7dq36TfVoWgyvOn+7GzduIcZL3F 94E4XLNObGdW2L+ICIx+m+Va/TLSJ6e8S6Iro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CvuGzo9Ir2U79k7W/YfrGd477x0EEPigdHXoEF89I35MeEuu9kSVNkYSM3l8aqhCbs 82JOOAZlg8KQcr46+oBEcNQmSPzWkU0Mi47fSpkZ32h5UfutGgcoRsvwqKM4mbCzNbrV jFUryTy/E4+g9QAtVelKShgNw8VK0p7MX9V0U= Received: by 10.224.67.75 with SMTP id q11mr1093345qai.278.1242818731950; Wed, 20 May 2009 04:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?64.89.164.29? (r164h29.dixie-net.com [64.89.164.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1339728qwe.27.2009.05.20.04.25.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 May 2009 04:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A13E85B.6000806@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 06:24:11 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090519 SeaMonkey/1.1.16 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo Support Everywhere References: <1242767909.3964.0@NeddySeagoon> <4A133498.7010102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 99fe0b42-30e2-4f42-b28b-bdf06025399d X-Archives-Hash: 51feb67d93aaf00bcf86ecbe808e6e11 Nandeep Mali wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Dale wrote: > [...] > =20 >> I'm a member at LQ tho I haven't been there in a long while. I just >> don't see why there has to be two forums when the one forum we have is >> more than enough. If someone can't find the Gentoo forums, I'm not su= re >> they can find the chair and keyboard either. lol >> =20 > > As a user I'd say that's ignoring us (the users) blatantly. What's the > harm in having it at multiple places? LQ is one of the sites that > comes up first in Google Search. I have found solution for many of my > queries related to other distros there. Agreed that finding Gentoo > Forums is easy, but that doesn't mean that you can expect every user > to go there. A reply like mine would usually be countered with: Gentoo > users are assumed to be intelligent enough to find this forum. lol > =20 Just to be clear here, I am a user myself. I'm not a dev. My opinion is a user opinion. > =20 >> I don't see how doing double the work will benefit anyone. Its a lot >> easier to have one forum than it is to have two forums. I just think >> the Gentoo folks would be better to concentrate on what we have than t= o >> be spreading more work around for the same people. Its not like they >> don't have enough work already. >> =20 > > This is also wrong. As I said before having a presence in multiple > areas is just plain helpful and not redundant. Search engines are the > first tool that a user would usually use and getting more results is > nothing but helpful. And as Jes=FAs put it he is volunteering to do it, > so I don't see what is the problem here? If the sub-forum does come up > I am sure other people would volunteer as well. Nobody is forcing > anyone to do anything here. > > I wish some people would start seeing it from user's perspective as > well. And volunteers who want to help like this should be encouraged. > Frankly speaking replies like this have discouraged many users I have > personally known. And it takes great courage to post to Gentoo ML in > fear of such replies. Again and again its virtually stated that: "user > is dumb unless they do it the way I want them to do it or the way I > think it is right". I take back my words if Gentoo is supposed to be a > developer only distro. > > Anyway, again from a user's perspective, Gentoo also has its share of > great minds, awesome documentation and some friendly and nice folks. > :) > > Regards > Nandeep > > > =20 Since I am seeing this from a user perspective, my opinion stands. I'm not against them having a forum where ever people choose, I just don't think Gentoo and devs should be required to support it. They have enough to deal with now. Dale :-) :-)=20