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From: Richard Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev]  Re: The fallacies of GLEP55
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:43:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A0F9606.5090500@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan.2009.05.17.01.58.08@cox.net>

Duncan wrote:
> So I believe the cost to be quite reasonably managed, after all.  
> Benchmarks would of course be needed to demonstrate that, but I believe 
> it worth pursuing.
> 

Agreed.  Perhaps I'm just spoiled by RDBMS's at work or something, but 
it seems like we're trying to squeeze every ounce of speed out of a 
non-indexed flat file database and do everything we can to avoid 
actually putting all that metadata in something that actually is 
queryable no matter how lousy the final design ends up being.

Expressing the package database as a set of flat files works nicely - 
especially with cvs/git/etc.  Actually working with that data directly 
on a real system doesn't make sense at all.  Index it once and then only 
open the flat files on the rare occasion that you actually need to 
install one of them.  Such an index can be centrally distributed, or it 
could be maintained as packages are rsynced (and of course users should 
be able to update it on demand as well).

When the speed of your package management system depends on the 
performance of find vs grep -r, you are doing something wrong.  Neither 
works all that well.



  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-17  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-14 18:06 [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55 Patrick Lauer
2009-05-14 18:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-14 19:05   ` Patrick Lauer
2009-05-14 19:11     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-14 19:17       ` RB
2009-05-14 19:20         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-14 19:24           ` Patrick Lauer
2009-05-14 19:33             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-14 19:16     ` Robert Bridge
2009-05-15 19:29       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-14 19:09   ` [gentoo-dev] " Tomáš Chvátal
2009-05-14 19:17     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-15  1:42   ` George Prowse
2009-05-15  7:30     ` David Leverton
2009-05-15 10:44   ` Richard Freeman
2009-05-15 16:16     ` Robert R. Russell
2009-05-15 16:29       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-15 19:12       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-15 19:17         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-15 20:06           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-15 20:13             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-24 20:53               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-24 21:10                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-15 20:32             ` [gentoo-dev] " David Leverton
2009-05-24 20:40               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-24 20:58                 ` David Leverton
2009-05-14 19:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " David Leverton
2009-05-14 19:15   ` Jeremy Olexa
2009-05-14 19:24     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-14 20:03 ` Ben de Groot
2009-05-14 21:16   ` Peter Alfredsen
2009-05-14 21:49     ` William Hubbs
2009-05-14 21:53       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-14 22:44         ` Patrick Lauer
2009-05-15 18:58           ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-15 19:11             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-26 14:06               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-15 19:43         ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2009-05-15 19:49           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16  9:27             ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 11:33               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2009-05-26 14:01                 ` Steven J Long
2009-05-16 14:12               ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 14:50                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2009-05-16 14:57                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 15:15                     ` Richard Freeman
2009-05-16 15:20                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 15:34                         ` Richard Freeman
2009-05-16 15:36                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 15:32                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 15:34                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 15:43                     ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 15:49                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 15:55                         ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 15:57                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 16:15                             ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 16:19                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 16:31                                 ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 16:38                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 16:54                                     ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 16:58                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 17:13                                         ` Tobias Klausmann
2009-05-16 17:53                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-17  4:54                                     ` Richard Freeman
2009-05-16 16:35                         ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-16 16:39                           ` Thomas Anderson
2009-05-16 16:44                             ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-16 16:47                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 16:54                                 ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-16 16:59                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 17:09                                     ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-16 17:55                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 19:12                                         ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-16 19:21                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-17  4:56                                             ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-16 23:39                                         ` Nick Fortino
2009-05-16 23:48                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-17  1:17                                             ` Nick Fortino
2009-05-22  2:04                                               ` Robert R. Russell
2009-05-17  0:31                                           ` Ravi Pinjala
2009-05-17  4:35                                             ` Richard Freeman
2009-05-17 11:40                                               ` Thomas Anderson
2009-05-17 12:00                                                 ` Arun Raghavan
2009-05-17  0:35                                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2009-05-17  0:50                                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-17  1:58                                               ` Duncan
2009-05-17  4:43                                                 ` Richard Freeman [this message]
2009-05-17  7:29                                                   ` Patrick Lauer
2009-05-17 11:14                                                     ` David Leverton
2009-05-17  7:40                                               ` Tiziano Müller
2009-05-17  8:01                                                 ` Patrick Lauer
2009-05-16 16:39                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 18:38                             ` Robert Buchholz
2009-05-16 18:42                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16  9:27             ` Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
2009-05-16  9:59               ` David Leverton
2009-05-16 11:11                 ` Ben de Groot
2009-05-16 18:10                   ` William Hubbs
2009-05-16 18:14                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 18:22                       ` William Hubbs
2009-05-16 12:14                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2009-05-16 14:15                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-16 17:28                   ` David Leverton
2009-05-16 20:00                     ` Joe Peterson
2009-05-16 20:11                       ` Denis Dupeyron
2009-05-16 20:13                         ` Denis Dupeyron
2009-05-17  8:29   ` [gentoo-dev] " Alistair Bush
2009-05-17 13:04     ` Richard Freeman
2009-05-16 21:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mark Bateman
2009-05-16 22:06   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-17  4:07     ` Mark Bateman
2009-05-17 16:35       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-05-17 16:54         ` Patrick Lauer

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