From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5IhD-0001jr-8U for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 12:08:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB5CEE0415; Sat, 16 May 2009 12:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.apserver.co.uk (server2.alteredperspective.co.uk [212.13.194.103]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1039E0415 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 12:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apserver.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB4E16C323 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:08:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.apserver.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server2.alteredperspective.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdlSOJdRpfX1 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:08:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.0.50] (home.twigathy.com [93.96.164.20]) by mail.apserver.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2A7316C321 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 13:08:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A0EACD1.7060006@allenjb.me.uk> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:08:49 +0100 From: AllenJB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090430 Lightning/0.9 Thunderbird/2.0.0.21 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55) References: <8b4c83ad0905152258i61b0e8ebh869f323519b1906f@mail.gmail.com> <8b4c83ad0905160009l3ddc34c9v3cc37ecf18b7668@mail.gmail.com> <4A0EA0EB.5020409@gentoo.org> <8b4c83ad0905160454h132e44fboecd75784934fe9fd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8b4c83ad0905160454h132e44fboecd75784934fe9fd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c49567ec-8faf-47fc-a304-dd8cb0b9aace X-Archives-Hash: e95a562c02a446f72e934cf27f8eb754 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> The statistics are irrelevant. >> So why do you bring them up? >> > > That's the question you should ask Duncan. Not me. I provided > statistics to highlight and provide dramatic effect. People who prefer > to discuss them and make it the primary (and only) point of reply > should reconsider their tactics. Sorry, but what? You post things to a discussion on a mailing list and expect people not to discuss them? Then tell those people that THEY are the ones who should reconsider their tactics? > >>> This stuff does not need to be resolved, put to rest, approved, >>> disapproved, or whatever! It needs to be kicked out till we can get >>> *BASIC* stuff fixed. >> I agree, but apparently council thinks it's worth their time. >> >> But I disagree on the maintainer-wanted thread. It's not that important >> an issue. We have Sunrise already, so let's try to improve that. >> > > Alright, so you say it's not that important. Then bring things up that > *are* that important. Then we can solve those instead. > While I disagree with the maintainer-wanted project idea itself, the fact that it has appeared does mean people are thinking about these things and the thread has brought up discussion on what is wrong with Gentoo and how it can be fixed. These are good things. While the original idea may not be implemented, the discussion it has brought about will hopefully push things a little further in the right direction. AllenJB