From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4h8c-0005wI-Pb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:02:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE782E0797; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.zeelandnet.nl (smtp1.zeelandnet.nl [212.115.192.203]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC92E0797 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 20:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.130] (cable-186-3.zeelandnet.nl [82.176.186.3]) by mail.zeelandnet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A02A18406C for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 22:02:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A0C790A.1050209@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:03:22 +0200 From: Ben de Groot Organization: Gentoo Linux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55 References: <200905142006.51998.patrick@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <200905142006.51998.patrick@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c972f4b4-4d4a-437f-8287-d996c66be8a6 X-Archives-Hash: 4102e4afc6616719e77fc09790533c09 Patrick Lauer wrote: > For quite some time (over a year, actually) we've been discussing the > mysterious and often misunderstood GLEP55. > [http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0055.html] > > The proposed solution to a problem that is never refined, This, in my opinion, is the crux of the matter. Most of us apparently are not sufficiently convinced that there actually is a problem. Until the problem is explained with clarity, the rest of the proposal is useless. > "Obviously you don't understand the issue, because if you did you'd support > it!" I concur that speaking for myself, I don't understand the issue. And it looks like many others don't either. So if anyone wants to promote this GLEP, their job is clear: make people understand what the issue is here, and convince them it is actually an issue. (Examples, scenarios usually work well, indeed a lot better than calling people names.) > And maybe we can now spend the same amount of > council-time (it has been eating time for over a year!) to get important > things done ... I want to call on the Council to reject this GLEP in its current form, as the problem has been insufficiently clarified. We should not waste more time on it. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison ______________________________________________________