From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsb0U-0003rE-ND for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:04:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91066E052D; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pollux.sshunet.nl (pollux.sshunet.nl [145.97.192.42]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FBBE052D for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pollux.sshunet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7BB580004 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:58:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at pollux.warande.net Received: from pollux.sshunet.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pollux.sshunet.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JA8+XiLEC+6k for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [145.97.222.171] (171pc222.sshunet.nl [145.97.222.171]) by pollux.sshunet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49E07796.2090000@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:57:26 +0200 From: "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090320) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 3 PMS Draft References: <20090316204717.699511f0@snowcone> <1237276217.31676.3403.camel@localhost> <20090317135505.5c0b812a@snowcone> <1239239522.29054.4.camel@localhost> <20090409153755.067a8eb0@snowcone> <20090410120307.0f09b688@terra.solaris> <20090411035406.GA21854@ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <20090411035406.GA21854@ukfsn.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4a2ed984-858e-4d6a-84ee-c9b04a8f0d2a X-Archives-Hash: 97183919ede04041981f3f108a740bab -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Rowe wrote: > * Christian Faulhammer (fauli@gentoo.org) wrote: >> Some years ago as a Gentoo beginner I read the documentation of >> FEATURES and enabled "test", because it sounded useful. After one week >> I disabled it again as merges took too long and some failures occured. >> Read: As a normal user I don't want src_test for every single package >> that is installed on my system for whatever reason. FEATURES=test is >> perfect for people who help maintain the distribution or want to test a >> specific subset of packages they heavily rely on. > > I'm just a user and I run with FEATURES=test, and have done since at > least March 2005[1]. I've definitely toyed with disabling it myself, > but only because developers aren't using it, which means I catch bugs[2] > that would have never existed if the developer had `test' enabled. Just because we find failing tests doesn't mean we have time (or inclination) to investigate and fix them. >> So imposing that penalty on everyone even the unexperienced will >> likely confuse some people. Go to the forums or the support mailing >> list to see what I mean. > > Package tests will have been run a -- possibly large -- number of > times when users see them if they are rolled in to the EAPI bump. This > isn't like the current situation of enabling tests and hoping somebody > has run them during testing. You conclusion that developers do not run tests is based on nothing. Using RESTRICT=test is not a fix and just hides the problem, so it is not unthinkable that packages with failing tests get to stable. Marijn - -- If you cannot read my mind, then listen to what I say. Marijn Schouten (hkBst), Gentoo Lisp project, Gentoo ML , #gentoo-{lisp,ml} on FreeNode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkngd5UACgkQp/VmCx0OL2yxyQCfeV2wrXCd3M2nrhGYRnQtBh2u O24AoJzvNKtnov0yjpQdtHao7fXcFPGx =Unhp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----