From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-35352-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1Lqfqc-0007gn-NW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:50:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EB60E0505; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 03:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.trelane.net (mail.trelane.net [66.93.203.104]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75874E0505 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 03:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.trelane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1CE186610 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:50:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at trelane.net Received: from mail.trelane.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (master.trelane.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMqqyNIlqwBM for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.trelane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BBC1866BB for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.1.99] (router.trelane.net [66.93.203.152]) by mail.trelane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0301186610 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 23:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49D97BDF.8010300@trelane.net> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:49:51 -0400 From: Andrew D Kirch <trelane@trelane.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090322) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info' References: <20090218232212.5452b86d@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20090404144727.2e050cb3@snowcone> <200904041812.19289.bangert@gentoo.org> <200904052242.01082.drizzt@gentoo.org> <49D976FD.5060601@trelane.net> <49D97891.3080404@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <49D97891.3080404@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: f9d7e49d-7615-400f-b9ed-4c81c5976b5a X-Archives-Hash: 4148869e8b9d57cfed64309aa99bcbfc Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Andrew D Kirch wrote: > >> I think it's best as a general rule to NEVER _EVER_ under any >> circumstances emulate paludis. >> > > While I'm not personally a fan of paludis, it doesn't help anyone to post crap > like that to any mailing list. Please take it elsewhere. Thanks. > > Why is it inappropriate to discuss the poor UI, and implementation of software we use especially in open source? Maybe if we're closed to valid argument against poor methodology we can fail like everyone else who develops closed minded (Debian) and closed source (long list here) software. Larry the Cow is deeply disappointed in you sir. Why is it not appropriate to note the prolonged damage that paludis and its associated personalities have done to the Gentoo community? This damage and resulting tree situation caused many to stop using Gentoo, myself included for a time. The diminished quality of the portage tree, and the open hostility of those involved with paludis caused injury to Gentoo, and it's reputation which is both significant and lasting. Why is it not appropriate to note that commandline arguments for paludis read like war and peace, and are a leading cause of repetitive stress injury in the open source community? And if a development mailing list where the merits of paludis and portage are being debated is not the correct forum to note the manifest shortcomings of one, then where is it? Andrew