From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCM9l-0004FL-EI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:43:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B57CE0187; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C68E0187 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [67.40.138.82] (crater.wildlava.net [67.40.138.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65327652EE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4946DD7F.80408@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:43:11 -0700 From: Joe Peterson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081127) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official References: <4932BE8F.6030000@gentoo.org> <1228168358.23326.6.camel@keitaro> <493466B4.708@gentoo.org> <20081211040850.GC31807@hermes> In-Reply-To: <20081211040850.GC31807@hermes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a7c97428-5f4f-4c7a-bd91-097ab2ba0a74 X-Archives-Hash: 5bdce30d737871b44fac5979535f1bd4 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 15:35 Mon 01 Dec , Joe Peterson wrote: >> However, what I see as perhaps a missing "piece" is more conceptual: the >> important connection between the valuable info in the emerge logs (and their >> somewhat transient default nature) and what a user looks for when he/she has a >> problem with a package. Yes, users will realize this as they use Gentoo (and >> will start paying more attention to logs as a result), so I don't think it's a >> huge problem, but what this particular user said to me made me think that >> there is, perhaps, an opportunity to improve the situation. > > Based on the rarity of me seeing this reported as a problem, I'm > inclined to think it says more about this user than about our system. This could very-well be. However: > I don't think it's our responsibility to put documentation everywhere > someone might conceivably look for information. I agree with this statement, but I wasn't implying we should duplicate information everywhere. I wanted to explore this as an opportunity to re-think if having an official "de facto" spot for "gentoo readmes" would make sense, thereby saving log output in a useful place where users would learn to look regularly. I agree this would only be reasonable if it were the right thing, architecturally, for Gentoo, not just for this one user's issue. -Joe