From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L6zBO-0001ak-Qt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:10:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F1ACE0346; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 03:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.zeelandnet.nl (smtp2.zeelandnet.nl [212.115.192.204]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D96EE0346 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 03:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.143] (cable-186-3.zeelandnet.nl [82.176.186.3]) by mail.zeelandnet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277E01580E0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:10:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <493355A7.90503@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:10:31 +0100 From: Ben de Groot Organization: Gentoo Linux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081122) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official References: <4932BE8F.6030000@gentoo.org> <1228064455.25651.158.camel@localhost> <4932C955.2080300@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4932C955.2080300@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1C7DCFC65587BCCE61DDABC5" X-Archives-Salt: b2ee962f-18bc-4c31-a4e0-fe93e71220cb X-Archives-Hash: 95b70ae1844e2288a7625e9a4d578a4a This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1C7DCFC65587BCCE61DDABC5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe Peterson wrote: > Peter Volkov wrote: >> Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about:=20 >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3D3&chap=3D= 1#doc_chap4 >> >> Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by >> mail :) >=20 > This is all cool, indeed! :) >=20 > I suspect, however, that most users have never played with these > variables. I think that saving this info in the portage db or making i= t > more default/official in some way could be a great help. The core > problem is, I think, that many users do not know where to look when > having trouble, so they may not even realize that what they need is in > the log info. The info is there, but most users never read more than part 1 of the Handbook (that is, the installation part). We could, and should in my opinion, add a big fat warning towards the end of the installation part, that there is extremely useful information to be found in the other parts of the Handbook. Maybe we could especially mention some of the more useful topics, and the elog system would be one of them. --=20 Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __________________________________________________ yngwin@gentoo.org http://ben.liveforge.org/ irc://chat.freenode.net/#gentoo-media irc://irc.oftc.net/#lxde __________________________________________________ --------------enig1C7DCFC65587BCCE61DDABC5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkzVa8ACgkQi+u7I1rvkiZYkQCg08CbpAiI5H3Lu3MsTexjW5jq XIIAni1YOaQ9EpHCXjChS4IeuEKWWI+4 =csc9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1C7DCFC65587BCCE61DDABC5--