From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L6woY-0003vP-3M for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:39:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E50E3E0343; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.154]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3ADBE0343 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so918907yxp.46 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=jAbWfM8x8oy8N60h+T15uMk2hd64azw1+pSjppFZgb0=; b=Jx6hzzdpbzbig3mMMS85yHunFcNzUNSpq+KzOe3W5ztPWcyLFqv80rKscfFrL1E9WY +4uPehONTgD75/Y/+I9fIrZ+029isfQO/tBqZbFa59aXAtYVLfFxk6xXTrB8cVd+/EU1 XV09gQYGi89velD8Vkcdtobq92S39UY1znzcc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=oSAQdPQfa5CgEGzLo5T5n7pKAjfTDsmAecwx3jN2yExlI9UoUuMy0y9Yoie3djoVCG hM3DEsqvHYCVtUtYLq/zYL6TNkyZgJaj3+DM+OUQVQ/gSLGfIDCrqHnb//Vq9VxlvuYB 4xTnihskrqp3A9iF/5/JR5tu9Fqc3w1l/6j4Q= Received: by 10.65.188.2 with SMTP id q2mr11007468qbp.64.1228091938997; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?4.231.83.7? (dialup-4.231.83.7.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [4.231.83.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm7502535qbp.14.2008.11.30.16.38.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4933321B.9090302@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:38:51 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081123 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official References: <4932BE8F.6030000@gentoo.org> <1228064455.25651.158.camel@localhost> <4932C955.2080300@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4932C955.2080300@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050401000707060206010301" X-Archives-Salt: b725635a-1ea1-4899-b45b-1ae95c9a76af X-Archives-Hash: 07d00e958ac58480e7b66d4ec179aaa1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050401000707060206010301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Peterson wrote: > Peter Volkov wrote: > >> Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=1#doc_chap4 >> >> Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by >> mail :) >> > > This is all cool, indeed! :) > > I suspect, however, that most users have never played with these > variables. I think that saving this info in the portage db or making it > more default/official in some way could be a great help. The core > problem is, I think, that many users do not know where to look when > having trouble, so they may not even realize that what they need is in > the log info. > > The reason I was phrasing it more in "readme" terms is that most people > can identify with that concept, and it could be made clear that there > exists Gentoo-specific readme info that is always available (regardless > of whether a user sets up the portage logging stuff). The bare log > messages could exist as a minimal default for packages that do nothing > special to provide more readme info. > > -Joe > > > If you have a GUI on your system, give this a look: app-portage/elogviewer That should help you a lot. I been using it for a good while and it works pretty well. I do wish it had little flags in the list of packages that have been installed. Sort of a short and sweet notice there is something there without actually have to look. Maybe a red flag when there is something really serious to know and other colors for other things. Anyway, give that a look and see if that helps, if you have a GUI. Dale :-) :-) --------------050401000707060206010301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe Peterson wrote: 
Peter Volkov wrote:
  
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Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by
mail :)
    

This is all cool, indeed!  :)

I suspect, however, that most users have never played with these
variables.  I think that saving this info in the portage db or making it
more default/official in some way could be a great help.  The core
problem is, I think, that many users do not know where to look when
having trouble, so they may not even realize that what they need is in
the log info.

The reason I was phrasing it more in "readme" terms is that most people
can identify with that concept, and it could be made clear that there
exists Gentoo-specific readme info that is always available (regardless
of whether a user sets up the portage logging stuff).  The bare log
messages could exist as a minimal default for packages that do nothing
special to provide more readme info.

					-Joe

If you have a GUI on your system, give this a look:=C2=A0 app-portage/elogviewer=C2=A0 That should help you a lot.=C2=A0 I been usi= ng it for a good while and it works pretty well.=C2=A0 I do wish it had little flags in the list of packages that have been installed.=C2=A0 Sort of a short and sweet=C2=A0 notice there is something there without actually ha= ve to look.=C2=A0 Maybe a red flag when there is something really serious to know and other colors for other things.

Anyway, give that a look and see if that helps, if you have=C2=A0 a GUI.<= br>
Dale

:-)=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0
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