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From: Richard Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for how to handle stable ebuilds
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:21:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4918DE04.8010207@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4918D0BC.50202@gentoo.org>

Jose Luis Rivero wrote:
> I would prefer to analyze the causes of the slacker arch (manpower, 
> hardware, etc) and if we are not able to solve the problem by any way 
> (asking for new devs, buying hardware, etc) go for mark it as 
> experimental and drop all stable keywords.

How is that better?  Instead of dropping one stable package you'd end up 
dropping all of them.  A user could accept ~arch and get the same 
behavior without any need to mark every other package in the tree 
unstable.  An arch could put a note to that effect in their installation 
handbook.  The user could then choose between a very narrow core of 
stable packages or a wider universe of experimental ones.

I guess the question is whether package maintainers should be forced to 
maintain packages that are outdated by a significant period of time. 
Suppose something breaks a package that is 3 versions behind stable on 
all archs but one (where it is the current stable).  Should the package 
maintainer be required to fix it, rather than just delete it?  I suspect 
that the maintainer would be more likely to just leave it broken, which 
doesn't exactly leave things better-off for the end users.

I'm sure the maintainers of qt/baselayout/coreutils/etc will exercise 
discretion on removing stable versions of these packages.  However, for 
some obscure utility that next-to-nobody uses, does it really hurt to 
move from stable back to unstable if the arch maintainers can't keep up?

I guess it comes down to the driving issues.  How big a problem are 
stale packages (with the recent movement of a few platforms to 
experimental, is this an already-solved problem?)?  How big of a problem 
do arch teams see keeping up with 30-days as (or maybe 60/90)?  What are 
the practical (rather than theoretical) ramifications?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-11  1:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-10 18:13 [gentoo-dev] Proposal for how to handle stable ebuilds Mark Loeser
2008-11-10 18:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-11-10 18:23 ` Mart Raudsepp
2008-11-10 20:32   ` Steev Klimaszewski
2008-11-10 21:16 ` Jeremy Olexa
2008-11-10 21:57 ` Santiago M. Mola
2008-11-11  0:24 ` Jose Luis Rivero
2008-11-11  1:13   ` Mark Loeser
2008-11-11  9:31     ` Jose Luis Rivero
2008-11-11  1:21   ` Richard Freeman [this message]
2008-11-11  8:56     ` Peter Volkov
2008-11-11 10:18     ` Jose Luis Rivero
2008-11-11 13:49       ` Ferris McCormick
2008-11-11 16:06       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2008-11-11 16:24         ` Jeroen Roovers
2008-11-11 17:26           ` Duncan
2008-11-11 17:55             ` Ferris McCormick
2008-11-11 18:12             ` Jeroen Roovers
2008-11-11 21:03               ` Duncan
2008-11-13 17:38 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tobias Scherbaum
2008-11-15 13:02   ` Matti Bickel
2008-11-17 18:08     ` Tobias Scherbaum
2008-11-17 19:03       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2008-12-11  5:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2008-11-17  0:38 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2008-11-17 15:10   ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2008-11-18  1:08     ` Ryan Hill
2008-11-18 16:57       ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2008-11-18 17:50         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-11-18 20:31           ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2008-11-18 21:18         ` Ryan Hill
2008-11-18 22:04           ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2008-11-18 22:45             ` Ryan Hill
2008-11-30 22:59 ` Ryan Hill
2008-12-01  7:49   ` Peter Volkov
2008-12-11  5:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz

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