From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSXJV-0006gm-7U for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:19:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F98DE05D7; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dev.gentooexperimental.org (dev.gentooexperimental.org [81.93.240.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF22CE05D7 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.197.187.74] (adsl-187-74.dsl.init7.net [82.197.187.74]) by dev.gentooexperimental.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CFD42E0B6 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:19:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48A03C7A.7070309@dev.gentooexperimental.org> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:19:54 +0000 From: Patrick Lauer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080801) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement References: <200808110027.04169.zlin@gentoo.org> <20080810223515.GA10158@comet> <20080811084559.3a8c005e@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20080811084559.3a8c005e@snowcone> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 232c5a0c-5cb1-4640-8808-3838fef9ec19 X-Archives-Hash: 7d7d21d98d43997d9dacd56b7a4059c0 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 > "Alec Warner" wrote: > >> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where >> everyone gets along. >> > > Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. > Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community > where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily > be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. > You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare. Gentoo is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony!