From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-31431-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1K6yUT-0002lx-Bv for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:54:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD24BE03FF; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A80E03FF for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z27so12189ugc.49 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:54:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9FskRMvs9UlWbZOvPkbRy7z3sP8ioGuG71SHGCE56G4=; b=ON6ioRhHvSDqppyPUs0fCzccv1I1JLvw//J+NHC8funvtD22NumJvSgihM4nuhW1dn aj5LqvIHn/SD6ne7tZXmE6NXb/WAv2tin3hmDnvCEy5n72J5BqywdRbw4G6Eum6hUDqM me48cyOJJ+2kT8pToAMe0agLqFq9110I/Lq4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aQ+dmDzgo3jYYm7YQ7t+nssn4YUwgg5fVLwv178y2YoMYMBqgONNxIgag+xPATA+mp eNeuTkU+3NcDqMnMqWgIuo0QT5k+4buhcbTrZtwWSdgbAqCbh7DgknHEI4ssLyFOgefF HqvjPefbjAHt+6nwcHamWkv7ZKjo4IZm0Rhq0= Received: by 10.67.23.5 with SMTP id a5mr118752ugj.27.1213322046701; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.144? ( [84.68.62.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm49315ugf.9.2008.06.12.18.54.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4851D337.2070607@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:53:59 +0100 From: George Prowse <george.prowse@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June References: <20080611070618.54E4066E24@smtp.gentoo.org> <20080611111133.GA6803@seldon.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> <48517A60.7000906@gentoo.org> <20080612204414.4f6f47e2@googlemail.com> <48519F27.4000300@gmail.com> <20080612224217.GB19297@spoc.mpa.com> In-Reply-To: <20080612224217.GB19297@spoc.mpa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 1ac49b4a-64a5-479e-92dd-aeacc1785822 X-Archives-Hash: 7e4458227ebfa077cb50b638e1d3e577 Thomas Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:11:51PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400 >>> Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org> wrote: >>>> I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e. >>>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/ >>> There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane >>> decided to go and vandalise it for some reason and no-one working on >>> PMS appears to have commit access to it... >> I would like to comment that the wording on that page is unacceptable. >> >> "With the advent of alternative package managers, this ill-defined standard >> is no longer sufficient..." makes it sound like the previous work that was >> done was by idiots. >> -- >> gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > That says nothing about the previous state of the portage. It only says > the standard wasn't well-defined before PMS. > It sounds and looks bad. It is so poorly written it looks as if the author is saying "the last one was crap so we have to do a better one". In fact, "ill-defined" needn't be in there at all. "this is no longer sufficient" is sufficient. A better thing to write would be: "With the advent of alternative package managers a further defining of standard is necessary..." -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list