* [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
@ 2008-04-10 23:50 Donnie Berkholz
2008-04-11 0:21 ` Robin H. Johnson
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From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-04-10 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-council; +Cc: gentoo-dev, gentoo-dev-announce
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Hi all,
Here is the summary from today's council meeting. The complete log will
show up at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ shortly.
Thanks,
Donnie
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Quick summary
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GLEP 46 (Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml): Approved
Slacker arches: Vapier's proposal is going out tonight.
Minimal activity for ebuild devs: We're trusting the judgment of the
undertakers. Also looking into Ohloh for commit stats.
Initial comments on PMS: Unapproved EAPIs cannot go into the approved
document.
Roll call
=========
(here, proxy [by whom] or slacker?)
amne here
betelgeuse here
dberkholz here
flameeyes proxy [tsunam]
lu_zero slacker
vapier here
jokey here
Updates to last month's topics
==============================
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080313-summary.txt
Document of being an active developer
-------------------------------------
Last month:
No updates
Updates:
No updates
Slacker arches
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3 months ago:
vapier will work on rich0's suggestion and repost it for
discussion on -dev ML
Last month:
vapier said he was going to work on it this weekend.
Updates:
vapier said he's finishing it up and will have it posted tonight.
GLEP 46: Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml
--------------------------------------------
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0046.html
2 months ago:
Caveat on approval about allowed protocols
Updates:
Restriction to http/https has been dropped as pointed out by
council members (amne and Flameeyes if I'm right). The point
for restricting the URLs to the mentioned protocols was that
they shouldn't link to automatically updated ressources. This
has been replaced by an explicit specification and a
recommendation that http/http should be favoured over
ftp/svn/gopher/etc to make the implementation for automated
update discovery tools easier (they should of course ignore URLs
they can't handle).
Approved.
New topics
==========
Minimal activity for ebuild devs
--------------------------------
Current is 1 commit every 60 days. Should it be higher?
Agreement was hard to find. Some people thought it should be 1
commit / week, others said that people have busy lives and
questioned the benefits.
A number of people did agree that we should trust the judgment of
the undertakers.
dberkholz suggested that low commit rates may not maintain the
quality of the committer, and we should more carefully review the
commits of these people.
Ways to track commit stats of various sorts came up, such as cia.vc
and ohloh. cia seems to have too much downtime to rely on. ciaranm
talked with ohloh people already. ohloh would require some
modifications to ohcount to recognize ebuilds and eclasses, and a
full copy of the cvs repository to start, but it seems worth
exploring. Betelgeuse said he would tar up a copy of the gentoo-x86
repo.
Initial comments on PMS
-----------------------
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/pms.git
Are there any major changes needed, or just tuning details?
The council voted that kdebuild-1 and other unapproved EAPIs could
not be in an approved PMS document. The spec isn't a place for
proposals or things that will never be submitted for approval by the
council. It's a specification, a reference of what is allowed in the
main tree.
Open floor
----------
blackace asked about complaints against philantrop, eroyf, and spb.
vapier referred that to devrel. Betelgeuse said that there's been no
rejection or action on those complaints yet, and internal discussion
is ongoing. Philantrop complained that he hadn't heard anything
about complaints, and Betelgeuse said that since some members
already left, he didn't want to take matters into his own hands in
sharing private information.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
2008-04-10 23:50 [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008 Donnie Berkholz
@ 2008-04-11 0:21 ` Robin H. Johnson
2008-04-11 0:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
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From: Robin H. Johnson @ 2008-04-11 0:21 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 04:50:52PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ways to track commit stats of various sorts came up, such as cia.vc
> and ohloh. cia seems to have too much downtime to rely on. ciaranm
> talked with ohloh people already. ohloh would require some
> modifications to ohcount to recognize ebuilds and eclasses, and a
> full copy of the cvs repository to start, but it seems worth
> exploring. Betelgeuse said he would tar up a copy of the gentoo-x86
> repo.
Having OhLoh would be nice, but over the course of the last year,
they've found that their system is not really capable of handling the
scope of the gentoo-x86 CVS tree.
Their system tries to get the full history every time, which is a design
issue. See the constant failures here:
http://www.ohloh.net/projects/gentoo/enlistments?query=gentoo-x86&sort=module_name&commit=Update
I did get in touch with them a year ago:
http://www.ohloh.net/forums/11/topics/183
This moved to private email, and I suggested some changes to how they
were doing it, as well as telling them how to fetch the gentoo-x86 tree
with rsync - but they (Robin Luckey) never got back to me beyond that.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
2008-04-11 0:21 ` Robin H. Johnson
@ 2008-04-11 0:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-11 0:37 ` Robin H. Johnson
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From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2008-04-11 0:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:21:20 -0700
"Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Having OhLoh would be nice, but over the course of the last year,
> they've found that their system is not really capable of handling the
> scope of the gentoo-x86 CVS tree.
As I understand it, they need a full history to start off. But once
they have that, it's just a case of pulling every commit, which they
should be able to handle. Jason Allen said today that a tarball of the
repo should probably be enough to get it working.
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Ciaran McCreesh
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
2008-04-11 0:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
@ 2008-04-11 0:37 ` Robin H. Johnson
2008-04-11 0:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
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From: Robin H. Johnson @ 2008-04-11 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:28:43AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:21:20 -0700
> "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Having OhLoh would be nice, but over the course of the last year,
> > they've found that their system is not really capable of handling the
> > scope of the gentoo-x86 CVS tree.
> As I understand it, they need a full history to start off. But once
> they have that, it's just a case of pulling every commit, which they
> should be able to handle. Jason Allen said today that a tarball of the
> repo should probably be enough to get it working.
That's why I setup them up with the ability to rsync it, and they never
got back to me on that, nor used it ever.
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Robin Hugh Johnson
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E-Mail : robbat2@gentoo.org
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
2008-04-11 0:37 ` Robin H. Johnson
@ 2008-04-11 0:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-11 0:45 ` Robin H. Johnson
2008-04-11 15:38 ` Joe Peterson
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From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2008-04-11 0:41 UTC (permalink / raw
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:37:31 -0700
"Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> That's why I setup them up with the ability to rsync it, and they
> never got back to me on that, nor used it ever.
Hrm, curious. They seem interested and alive currently. Perhaps it's
worth another shot...
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Ciaran McCreesh
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
2008-04-11 0:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
@ 2008-04-11 0:45 ` Robin H. Johnson
2008-04-11 15:38 ` Joe Peterson
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From: Robin H. Johnson @ 2008-04-11 0:45 UTC (permalink / raw
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:41:09AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:37:31 -0700
> "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > That's why I setup them up with the ability to rsync it, and they
> > never got back to me on that, nor used it ever.
> Hrm, curious. They seem interested and alive currently. Perhaps it's
> worth another shot...
Get Robin Lackey @ OhLoh to mail me again then. I'm busy the next week
as I'm at the MySQL conference in Santa Clara, but it's just a matter of
giving him the access details again.
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E-Mail : robbat2@gentoo.org
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008
2008-04-11 0:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-11 0:45 ` Robin H. Johnson
@ 2008-04-11 15:38 ` Joe Peterson
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From: Joe Peterson @ 2008-04-11 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:37:31 -0700
> "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> That's why I setup them up with the ability to rsync it, and they
>> never got back to me on that, nor used it ever.
>
> Hrm, curious. They seem interested and alive currently. Perhaps it's
> worth another shot...
I also queried them on the forum earlier this year, since none of my
commits were listed. Here's the link (I do think this is worth looking
into - note that the response what that they did not do CVS...):
http://www.ohloh.net/forums/10/topics/1278
-Joe
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